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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 20:47:59 JST feld
   Is this really necessary?
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:02:28 JST feld

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     • Sam :flag_nonbinary:​
     You're not gonna convince the English speaking world to use anything other than he/she/they.
     
     It's like being insulted that strangers don't memorize your middle name.
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     Sam :flag_nonbinary:​ (skreee@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:02:29 JST Sam :flag_nonbinary:​

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     @feld i dont get it, what is the problem?

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:26:10 JST feld

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     • Tom Scott
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     • Iain Roberts
     > Neopronouns don't make them better or worse people.
     
     It clearly outs them as an attention seeking narcissist; an energy vampire. They want every interaction with strangers to be as awkward as possible.
     
     They know the other party will never get it right even if the person respectfully chooses "they". It gives them an opportunity to take control of a conversation because of something so stupidly trivial.
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     Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:26:11 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     • Tom Scott
     • Iain Roberts

     @slowbikeiain @feld @tomscott
     *nodds sin agreement*

     I'm not gonna tell people what they should use and what not.

     Neopronouns don't make them better or worse people.

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     Iain Roberts (slowbikeiain@urbanists.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:26:12 JST Iain Roberts

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     • Tom Scott
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:

     @kkarhan @feld @tomscott "They" seems best to me, for all the reasons Tom gives. If some people want to invent new pronouns, I've no objection, but they're very unlikely to catch on.

     feld likes this.
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     Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:26:13 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     • Tom Scott

     @feld Should not be, but I guess #boomers don't watch @tomscott ...

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ehrFk-gLk

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:33:00 JST feld

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     • Tom Scott
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     • Iain Roberts
     It's the same reason why people want to tell you about crystals or star signs or tarot
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     Iain Roberts (slowbikeiain@urbanists.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:33:01 JST Iain Roberts

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     • Tom Scott
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:

     @feld @tomscott @kkarhan I would be interested to understand the reasons people have for preferring these neopronouns over "they".

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:33:39 JST feld

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     • Tom Scott
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     • Iain Roberts
     Names are way different than this
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     Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:33:40 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     • Tom Scott
     • Iain Roberts

     @feld
     I think that's a horribly bad argument.

     Or do you also consistently apply that to people from places like China and Taiwan if they don't choose some westernized name that is easy to write and speak as foreigner?

     @tomscott @slowbikeiain

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:52:08 JST feld

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     • Tom Scott
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     • Iain Roberts
     @kkarhan @tomscott @slowbikeiain to clarify: I am in 100% agreement with you on names. Names are names. The only difficulty is when they are very foreign and use phonetics that do not exist in the English language.
     
     I don’t like that many people have to make up Westernized names to fit in, but I certainly understand why they do it: because they don’t want to deal with the conflict.
     
     People who choose neopronouns want conflict. It is a passive aggressive power move.
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     Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 21:52:09 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     • Tom Scott
     • Iain Roberts

     @feld @tomscott @slowbikeiain not really...

     Just because I can't read Chinese, Japanese or Thai doesn't mean someone's name is less genuine in those scripts than in phonetic script or any other scriptures like the western-latin we use here...

     Same with last name systems like the icelandic -son / -dottir [son/daughter of] systems...

     There ain't an authoritative aka. "correct" version, whether you like it or not.
     https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110876661761256261

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 22:05:55 JST feld

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     • Tom Scott
     • Kevin Karhan :verified:
     • Iain Roberts
     Who said anything about being attacked?
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     Kevin Karhan :verified: (kkarhan@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 22:05:56 JST Kevin Karhan :verified:

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     • Tom Scott
     • Iain Roberts

     @feld @tomscott @slowbikeiain

     I disagree with that unless you actuall believe in that cringe nor/mal meme...

     Seriously, I don't see any reason to think so, and if you're that thin-skinned to feel attacked by someone living outside a triary you use in lieu of a binary then maybe you don't have more important issues in you life...