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   Jeff Geerling (geerlingguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:15:39 JST Jeff Geerling

   As belts tighten, corporate #opensource evolves—further and further from the ideals of Free Software.

   Partly due to bad actions by "freeloaders," but also companies putting too much value in building code, and not enough on community and support. https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/hashicorp-adopts-business-source-license

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:15:39 JST clacke

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     > corporate opensource evolves

     
     You mean devolves.

     @geerlingguy

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     Jeff Geerling (geerlingguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:16:25 JST Jeff Geerling

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     • dango🍡:02lurk:

     @dango_ I'd tend to trust the FSF more than some other entities, but still not like the idea regardless.

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     dango🍡:02lurk: (dango_@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:16:28 JST dango🍡:02lurk:

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     • Bryan Cantrill

     @geerlingguy @bcantrill fwiw: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.en.html

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     Jeff Geerling (geerlingguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:16:29 JST Jeff Geerling

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     • Bryan Cantrill

     I'm sure @bcantrill is could fill out a book now with examples of companies who are using parts of his "Corporate Open Source Anti-Patterns" presentation for a template...

     Requiring copyright assignment, using anti-competitive licenses instead of open source...

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     Luke Browell 💡 (lukebrowell@mastodon.scot)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:49:29 JST Luke Browell 💡

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     @geerlingguy as disrupters become part of the establishment they cease to wish to be disruptive.

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     Blake Leonard (blake@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:49:31 JST Blake Leonard

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     @geerlingguy Seems less of "not placing value on the community" as much as the code (or their exclusive hosting of it) is what's making them money. Companies who only sell support don't make a lot of money, except for Red Hat, and evidently it wasn't enough for them either.

     Related question: does the MPL still apply to older versions of the software and source code with which it was bundled, or does this somehow retroactively affect the old code?

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:49:31 JST clacke

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     • Blake Leonard

     @blake It's an approved open source and free software license. It's irrevocable.

     Unlike the GPLv3, the MPLv2 doesn't explicitly say "irrevocable", but it doesn't state any other grounds for termination than you being in breach of the license terms.

     You received the software, you received a license to redistribute it. No backsies.

     @geerlingguy

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     danielfgom (danielfgom@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:49:33 JST danielfgom

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     @geerlingguy That's because open source and Libre are 2 different things.

     Libre is about user freedom whereas open source is not.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 11-Aug-2023 21:49:33 JST clacke

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     • danielfgom

     @danielfgom While that is true in terms of community goals, in pure technical legal terms there is no difference in licensing between Free Software and Open Source.

     The BSL is simply Not Open Source.

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     Mosen (mosen@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 12-Aug-2023 01:57:03 JST Mosen

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     @geerlingguy companies want to gain a competitive edge by having a huge foss user base. They want contributions and bug fixes. They do not want forking, wrappers, interop that threatens the product line up. In other words they won’t tolerate any loss of control. Who is the freeloader really?

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