Nicolas Martyanoff
Go 1.21 introducing min and max is good. Go devs finally realized that "c := max(a,b)" is better than:
c := a
if b > a {
c = b
}
If we're lucky in a couple years they'll finally understand why so many have been asking for the conditional ternary operator. One can dream.
Louis
@galdor The ternary operator is "too brilliant" to understand for mediocre programmers, which is for whom Go was made for:
"They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language but we want to use them to build good software." (Rob Pike)
While Go is a great tool to build good software fast, it doesn't offer opportunities to grow as a programmer.
Louis
@sqrtminusone What I mean specifically is that you look at your 100 lines of mostly imperative Go code and think, how can I make that better and more expressive?
Just to realize that in Go there is rarely such an opportunity, compared to many other languages, that allow you to learn more advanced functional concepts and abstraction patterns over time.
It took the Go devs 14 years to release a generic min/max function and slice/maps utility functions like Contains. I probably wrote thousands of rudimentary, ugly for loops because those did not exist.
Pavel Korytov :emacs:
@louis @galdor What opportunities do you have in mind? Do you mean some abstractions or patterns that are unavailable in Go or...?
Besides, the road to Perl is paved with good intentions
Louis
@a13cui Actually a few months ago, when the Go telemetry shitshow happend, Nim was my choice #1 as a replacement. However, the library ecosystem is dire for serious web backend and database development. That was the reason I abondoned it.
That was, of course, before I decided to shred my head with Common Lisp 🙂
chsh -s /usr/bin/pwsh $USER
@louis if you're willing to go into superior better syntax territory, there's also Nim
Louis
@a13cui There is a middle ground, and in my opinion that is the #V language. It has a version of Go-like syntax that is as easy to comprehend but has all the "missing" features you would miss in Go.
I'm not in favour of the V lang, nor do I recommend if for any serious use, but for other reasons.
chsh -s /usr/bin/pwsh $USER
@louis @sqrtminusone @galdor I'd argue that adding too many new syntax features to "make it more expressive" is also bad and ugly (e.g. Rust or C++)
chsh -s /usr/bin/pwsh $USER
@louis ironically, I am using Common Lisp at this very moment for my Tcl LSP :blobcat3c:
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