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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:47:56 JST Sexy Moon
   I want to send transactional emails not promotional emails so why are you forcing me to do this. eat shit sendgrid.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:48:51 JST Sexy Moon

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     does anybody have a better one
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:49:58 JST Sexy Moon

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     bonus fuck you for forcing 2FA and only giving me SMS and Authy for 2FA.
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     :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 20:56:21 JST :blank:

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     @Moon there's no difference to the laws, same reason twilio has gone to shit, pay the racket to someone like https://www.mail.baby/
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 21:00:34 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @Moon isn't Authy just regular TOTP with questionable parameters?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 21:01:08 JST Sexy Moon

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     @romin you have to install an app and give up phone number etc.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 21:26:47 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @Moon yeah but can't you circumvent that? Don't they give you a qr code with the totp key or something for scanning?
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     Rocket (rocket@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 21:46:54 JST Rocket

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     @Moon Twilio was the only cloud email API when i looked a few years ago. Everything else was built for promotional emails.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 21:47:21 JST Sexy Moon

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     @romin I don't think there's any way around it.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 10-Aug-2023 23:26:58 JST feld

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     AFAIK Authy does not allow that. You *must* use their app
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 20:22:26 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tyil I did that for years professionally and I recommend not doing that because deliverability of self hosted email is unacceptably low.
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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 20:22:28 JST tyil

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     @Moon@shitposter.club Should've self-hosted your email servers m8

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 20:44:41 JST Sexy Moon

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     @Coyote @tyil I've had this discussion many times. Some people have no problems, other people have nothing but problems. A lot of it is because of what IP block you're coming from.
     
     I worked at a company, we had the same IP range since the 1990s. Manageable spam, deliverability good. We had way too big of a block of IPs so we sold it and bought a smaller block. That block got continuous spam and deliverability went into the toilet. After a year of fighting it we just got gmail for business.
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     Coyote (coyote@social.singing.dog)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 20:44:42 JST Coyote

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     @Moon @tyil I’ve been using a self hosted mail server for 3 years, and the only trouble I ever had with it was from Craigslist, and that was just because I forgot to set the reverse DNS on my IP address.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:02:59 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tyil @Coyote my server hosts its own outgoing email but if you are running a business, your mail getting delivered is the most important thing. I lost work as an independent contractor when it turned out some people weren't receiving my mail from my self-hosted server.
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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:03:01 JST tyil

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     @Coyote@social.singing.dog @Moon@shitposter.club The troubles are usually with the big email providers wanting to maintain a monopoly. They generally just drop any mail that is not from the big providers, and they can do that because most people give up and go with the big providers instead.
     
     I self-host solely because I don't want to encourage the monopoly, but I can understand (though strongly disagree with) the practice of outsourcing it to the monopoly.

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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:04:36 JST tyil

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @Coyote@social.singing.dog I'm no independent contractor, so for me its a bit easier to say "should've used a decent email provider" and stop thinking about the party not receiving my email.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:07:05 JST Sexy Moon

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     @pwm @tyil @Coyote I stopped after it became too much work basically.
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     pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:07:06 JST pwm

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     @Moon @tyil @Coyote a long time ago I basically decided that my self hosted email was purely a vanity thing, and mostly for memes
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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:37:51 JST tyil

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     @pwm@crlf.ninja @Moon@shitposter.club @Coyote@social.singing.dog That said, I am looking into making it a multiple server setup with stalwart mail, but I'm not sold yet on having to deal with sqlite replication.

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     pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:37:54 JST pwm

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     @Moon @tyil @Coyote fortunately, mine is not very much work to maintain. Other than some nonsense with fail2ban when it was getting brute forced
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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 21:37:54 JST tyil

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     @pwm@crlf.ninja @Moon@shitposter.club @Coyote@social.singing.dog My current maintenance schedule for my email server is logging on once ever 4-6 years and running updates. Could be worse.

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     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Aug-2023 23:49:03 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

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     @Moon @tyil @Coyote the ip block is very important. from my experience, hetzner or ovh are not going to be delivered even jumping through all the hoops, smaller clean providers sometimes get delivered even without much extra work.

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