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   翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 22:44:06 JST 翠星石
   Hmm, I need to do some research into reinforced concrete as a building material...
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 23:01:16 JST 翠星石

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     • 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙
     @jihadjimmy It wasn't really rediscovered, its superior properties were tested and reported on for the first time in ages though.
     
     It's wonderful self-healing material that gets stronger over time, so reinforcement isn't really needed, but no builder is really going to use it, as it takes longer to set and builders are totally focused on throwing up the building at fast as possible, no matter the defects.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (jihadjimmy@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 23:01:17 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     Roman concrete was rediscovered recently by the way.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 23:03:50 JST 翠星石

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     • Phantom Palladium
     @hazlin I see the futility of trying to buy a standard house (unless I want to work myself to death for 30+years more) and I wonder how difficult it would be to really make a fireproof GNU/House (without attracting government attention hopefully).
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     Phantom Palladium (hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Aug-2023 23:03:51 JST Phantom Palladium

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     @Suiseiseki What speculation has prompted you to do this?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:57:23 JST 翠星石

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     • clay vaulin
     @clayvaulin >i dont know about fireproof, but stick framing is pretty easy to learn.
     I haven't done any stick framing, but I have made basic wooden joints before, so that's an option I guess.
     
     I'm thinking I probably would want to make the walls out of concrete masonry bricks or similar (as it's ~$4 a brick and mortar seems cheap too), plus bricks are typically fireproof and I should be able to lay square enough walls after practicing enough.
     
     I'd then probably want to make a wood framed roof, with corrugated steel as roofing, but I'd have to figure out how to make such roof without gaps, as I don't want flying sparks lighting the whole place up (as the bush tends to burn every few years).
     
     >the bigger issue is plumbing, electrical and hvac
     Plumbing seems very difficult, but achievable, as I can picture the processes of installing a septic tank, water tank, a pump and PVA piping and how working it all out should only take me "only" 100 hours.
     
     As for electrical, batteries and solar seem to be finally efficient enough to be useful, but I'll need to calculate as to how much power I'll need and expected battery life (it'll clearly be easier to connect to the grid, but those power companies seem to use only the most proprietary power consumption measurement equipment with a mobile chipset inside (even them they seem to ignore the reported values and "estimate" power consumption instead if you use very little) and power is not cheap, so ehh).
     
     With adequate insulation and suitable triple glazed windows, I should be comfortable with a fan and heater I reckon.
     
     >an option to avoid fully building is to buy a serious fixer upper
     Maybe that's a more realistic idea, but even those go for huge prices.
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     clay vaulin (clayvaulin@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:57:24 JST clay vaulin

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     @Suiseiseki
     i dont know about fireproof, but stick framing is pretty easy to learn. the bigger issue is plumbing, electrical and hvac. an option to avoid fully building is to buy a serious fixer upper (will also be smaller than most modern builders will build and therefore cheaper beyond just the work to repair) and work yourself to death for only 15 years while fixing stuff up on weekends.
     @hazlin
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     clay vaulin (clayvaulin@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 19:51:47 JST clay vaulin

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     if you have a habitat for humanity near you you can learn how houses are built on the lower priced end of normal, otherwise youd better learn building codes well and find an engineer to sign off on everything to keep the clipboard nazis off your ass. the advantage of a fixer upper is as long as you dont do anything visible from the outside, you dont need a permit or inspections.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 19:51:47 JST 翠星石

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     • clay vaulin
     @clayvaulin >if you have a habitat for humanity near you you can learn how houses are built on the lower priced end of normal
     I have observed a number of building techniques and can picture them, but I haven't observed a cheap house being constructed.
     
     >otherwise youd better learn building codes well and find an engineer to sign off on everything to keep the clipboard nazis off your ass.
     I'm aware that the government will do everything possible to stop me from having freedom, but ideally they'll never know if it's not visible from the road and I do know a architect and an electrician that ideally could check my work (I'm not planning on pushing the structural envelope either).
     
     >the advantage of a fixer upper is as long as you dont do anything visible from the outside, you dont need a permit or inspections.
     You do actually need a permit and inspections for everything, it's just that they clearly can't do anything about what they don't learn about.