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   Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 12:40:17 JST Pyrrho

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
   • mia
   @mia
   I suspect you're just misreading my descriptive statements as prescriptive; African Americans insisted they wanted extremely harsh policing and drug enforcement, and now they want the exact opposite, but although their prescriptive demands have flipped, they still want the same thing; less crime and drug abuse. Although I fall more on the "Send more aid" camp and P, well, somewhere not on it, this is not me being "pro Ukraine" vs P being "pro Russia". I don't want to discuss prescriptive strategies because it is boring, gets too fucking heated, and involves a lot of loose guess work and predictions that we can't actually calculate the likelihood of being right.
   
   The only "should" I said was "I am not even saying what we should or should not do", but P did delve into whether we should "free the shit out of" Ukraine, but you can't simultaneously complain I'm writing books over here, and also that I don't address his prescriptive opinions if I myself am trying to avoid that. I don't want to advocate my prescriptive opinions, even though I do have them, I just don't know how I would convince somebody else of them; I wrote a whole "book" about my grandfather to better explain where I am coming from, but you seem to have missed the point of that and brushed it aside as prescriptive war mongering.
   
   TLDR: If you need a tldr, just don't involve yourself in concersations you don't have the attention span to read.
   
   @p
   >-it might be better to just ask, and then we're communicating instead of trying to push something.
   
   I still plan on Saturday or Sunday compiling a little list of questions about some historical facts leading up to the Ukraine Russia war; they'll be formatted like "Do you believe X happened before Y". I'll also give you a link to some sources/articles so if you'd rather your first reply be more of a refutation of my potential refutations, you can do that.
   
   As much preamble as this was, I think setting the stage for a discussion that isn't bad faith evangelizing, where we steel-man each other's opinions instead of straw-manning them, is always worth it; there is no shortage of yelling matches online, and not nearly enough honest discussions. :)
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 12:40:15 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • mia
     @Pyrrho @mia
     
     > You think polling data is opinions?
     
     It's aggregate data about opinions. This makes it generally worthless unless you want to discuss how popular something would be within the sample set, which is generally not worth caring about on its own. Like, "Of all the normies that answered their phones and had five minutes, mustard was preferred to mayo" matters if we're selling condiments.
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     Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 12:40:16 JST Pyrrho

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     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • mia
     @mia @p
     
     >The whole fucking post is opinions.
     
     Bro, everyone hating Russia was said right alongside POLLING DATA. You think polling data is opinions? Well go find other polls and we can figure that out or something.
     
     Every fact you don't like is not just some subjective opinion of mine.
     
     >Also please don't repeat the one word vague esoteric shit, "I'm into x I just read about on wikipedia once." Spare me.
     
     Look, if everything about me annoys you, why not block me? Honestly. Asking me to speak differently just to appease you? I'm not doing that. Pyrrhonism pyrrhonism pyrrhonisn. I read about it on wikipedia, isn't it neat?
     
     But in all seriousness, having you brutally disagree with me is not a bad thing; if I am wrong and a fucking idiot, I don't want to continue in that state forever. I do wish you could be less mean, but I am an elf after all so I can understand.
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     mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 12:40:17 JST mia

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     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @Pyrrho @p
     
     > just don't involve yourself in concersations you don't have the attention span to read.
     
     I read it.
     
     > I just don't know how I would convince somebody else of them;
     
     The issue is that you find conversation as a prompt to be evangelical. That behavior, being evangelical, was specifically called out as annoying.
     
     TL;DR: If you need a tldr, just don't involve yourself in conversations you don't have the capacity to understand.
     
     > isn't bad faith evangelizing
     
     Contradiction in terms, especially when such behavior was explicitly and repeatedly asked to fuck off.
     
     > there is no shortage of yelling matches online, and not nearly enough honest discussions.
     
     I will never stop screaming, I only have one speed, and it is angry, ABOUT ELVES.