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   Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 15:53:27 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

   There's something very hyper-real and meta-modern about the new Wonka trailer. I absolutely hate everything about this new style, And it's extremely hard to describe. Most people recognize it as "woke", but it's not just wokeness. It's the style that epitomizes how millennials produce content.

   https://youtu.be/otNh9bTjXWg

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 15:58:34 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     Sorry, hyperrealism is not the right word I was thinking of. But I can't think of the correct term. It comes from a French philosopher that identified different layers of knowledge about reality. First there is the thing, then there is the representation of the thing, then there is the talking about the representation of the thing, etc. And the 4th layer was this kind of world where nothing is connected to the thing it is supposed to represent.

     Anyone know what that is?

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 15:59:45 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     Video on meta-modernism for reference.
     https://youtu.be/5xEi8qg266g

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:01:35 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • PonyPanda

     @PonyPanda No, I don't believe so.

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     PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:01:36 JST PonyPanda

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     @ned Baudelaire?
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:03:10 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • PonyPanda

     @PonyPanda Yes! correct. Simulacres et Simulation.

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     PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:03:11 JST PonyPanda

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     @ned I mean... Baudrillard.
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     Phileosopher :verified: (phileosopher@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:24:22 JST Phileosopher :verified:

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     @ned

     I think I can parse the style you're talking about. It birthed in Joss Whedon pop culture (e.g., Buffy the Vampire Slayer).

     Imagine 2 people at a bar:
     A - Got in a fight yesterday.
     B - Those battles'll kill ya!
     A - Girl dumped me after that.
     B - I had a date with an elf once, but she was actually from Finland.
     A - That's what they say about women.

     It's quotable dialogue, but AT each other, with no character or world dev in it.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:14 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • Cornelius

     @Cornelius Childishness is not the problem. The Wonka character is supposed to have a magical whimsical style. it's the way how every scene, every line is like winking at you, referencing some kind of idea or worldview outside the confines of the story. All in order to produce a result that hints "You should think like this". They tell you how to feel, rather than just let you feel. It's extremely cringe.

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     Cornelius (cornelius@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:26:15 JST Cornelius

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     @ned It's very childish. This actor is a total manlet.
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:27:49 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • Phileosopher :verified:

     @Phileosopher Yes that's definitely part of it. Also this.

     https://noagendasocial.com/@ned/110705585213234725

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:31:26 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • Ringo

     @ringo I was actually correct. The 4th stage is sometimes referred to as "hyperreal".

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

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     Ringo (ringo@freeatlantis.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:31:27 JST Ringo

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     @ned neo realism?

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:34:16 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • Phileosopher :verified:

     @Phileosopher I disagree. Meta-modernism is very much a millennial cultural phenomenon. Not just something pushed or created by elites (although it is that too).

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     Phileosopher :verified: (phileosopher@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:34:17 JST Phileosopher :verified:

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     @ned

     Quotable nothings are like drums in a band, or sugar: great in small-enough doses, but can overwhelm the art and leave a state of overwhelm in your brain.

     The story itself is also oddly aspirational. It's the sentiment of Dora the Explorer or Spongebob in the face of utter darkness. True heroes no longer have grit: they just laugh a lot.

     But, bear in mind, this isn't millennial thinking, and is only Deep State Hollywood's attempt to perform art when nobody there integrated their shadow.

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     Sir Funk ?? (sophistifunk@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:36:30 JST Sir Funk ??

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     @ned magical realism? Just call it a Wes Anderson knockoff.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:38:00 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • IsraelDelendaEst

     @IsraelDelendaEst @n8 They will take your favourite nostalgic touchstone, rip out it's heart, and wear it like a skin suit. That is where the simulacrum contains nothing of the faithful recreation.

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     n8⚡⚡ (n8@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:38:01 JST n8⚡⚡

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     @ned It's definitely super fucking gay and plastic looking.
     Not to mention the niggers in French/German uniforms and clothes, or present at all tbh, it's just so unreal. Non-real. Grotesque in it's falseness.
     
     But the writing suffers from that millennial writing curse that never seems to leave us. Just so infantile and stupid. Gay. How do I humiliate the chocolate barons? With magic chocolate of course. So this is a bad thing. But then... what if i SHARED the chocolate with the crowd????? 👀 Now its GOOD THING??? WAHHHAAA??? End scene right after a overly verbose "jOkE" from a 18th century man speaking like a reddtor in the 21st.
     
     It's so terrible. I won't even hate watch it. I'll barely even consume critical media ABOUT it even as SIGINT.
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     IsraelDelendaEst (israeldelendaest@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:38:01 JST IsraelDelendaEst

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     • n8⚡⚡
     @n8 @ned Roald Dahl was not a fan of the international Jew and he did a good job of balancing out his saccharine bullshit with a healthy dose of childish nastiness and occurrences of natural justice, so of course this is going to happen to all of his stuff.
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:41:03 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • Sir Funk ??

     @Sophistifunk This is what I was referring to.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

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     Sir Funk ?? (sophistifunk@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 16:46:15 JST Sir Funk ??

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     @ned

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     Miyagiyoda (miyagiyoda@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 19:17:39 JST Miyagiyoda

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     @ned I've learnt some new words.
     I saw the trailer as magical realism and frankly sighed a breath of relief that it was a prequel and not another reimagining or flawed adaptation... though I should reread Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator to be sure.

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     Phileosopher :verified: (phileosopher@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:12:01 JST Phileosopher :verified:

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     @ned

     You're right that people get what they want, but there's a very big difference between an advertised trend and an actual trend. Everyone has adopted the automotive, but not as many people were into disco in the 1970's as you would think.

     I'm badly saying, in other words, that the hype train makes things sound like everything is all slanted one way, when maybe an outspoken and idiotic 20-30% are into it. First realized it after those 15 Days To Flatten The Curve.

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     Phileosopher :verified: (phileosopher@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 21:14:15 JST Phileosopher :verified:

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     @ned

     What I *will* agree heavily on, though, is that we do have this sort of a post-post-modernism, or meta-modernism, or something, and that's definitely a thing that trendy people are trying to do.

     The problem is that being any sort of meta-anything requires lots of sitting and pondering, and refining or validating information is the LAST thing on almost anyone's mind. The results are predictably bad, and most of DEVO's lyrics could apply today.

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     '-'_ ????-???? ????? ?_'-' (pidgeycat@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 22:35:12 JST '-'_ ????-???? ????? ?_'-'

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     @ned This is awful but it’s not millennial style. 2/3 of its producers are Gen X, as is the director. Regardless, hypernormalization is to blame more so than any generation. Seems to be the new normal way that they’re trying to make books “come to life.” When in reality, it just looks drab and dystopian. This looks like Snowpiercer.

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 08:38:42 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • Phileosopher :verified:

     @Phileosopher I think people can hop on a style or trend without actually knowing any deep philosophical underpinnings for what they are doing. No woke person understands what they do is "Trans-Maoism" as Adam likes to put it. But they act it out in practice regardless.

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     𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎.𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚒𝚜𝚖. (makeheroism@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 09:30:34 JST 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎.𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚒𝚜𝚖.

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     • n8⚡⚡
     • Q*bert

     @qbert @ned @n8 both genx. Hmmmm. What a conundrum. Who can we blame now?!?!!?

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 09:30:34 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎.𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚒𝚜𝚖.
     • Q*bert

     @makeheroism @qbert @n8 I probably should have said content FOR millennials. If you look back at all trends, it's almost never initiated by the generation most associated with it. Boomers didn't start the hippy flower power movement. That was a couple of silent Gen guys. The Boomers just adopted it.

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     n8⚡⚡ (n8@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 09:30:38 JST n8⚡⚡

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     @ned ah, here's a video you will appreciate.
     
     youtube.com/watch?v=FyHG8EfcA5c&t=11s
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     Q*bert (qbert@cawfee.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 09:30:38 JST Q*bert

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     • n8⚡⚡
     @n8 @ned
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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 09:36:17 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     • 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎.𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚒𝚜𝚖.
     • Q*bert

     @makeheroism @qbert @n8 for example, Kurt Cobain was born in 1967. That's pretty damn close to boomer territory.

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     𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎.𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚒𝚜𝚖. (makeheroism@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 14-Jul-2023 10:22:37 JST 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎.𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚘𝚒𝚜𝚖.

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     @ned @qbert @n8 no it’s not. 1967 is Gen Jones and or Gen X.

     Content for millennials (especially elder millennials) was all turned to shit. Look at adult swim. Look at people like Sam Hyde (a millennial). From a young age (when South Park was released) we were taught that the more offensive the better. Then when it came time for us to actually produce content of our own we got told we were Nazis or racists or bad for being offensive.

     You have an EXTREMELY skewed.