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Part of me is against "transition" but when I read stories about womens whose husbands are AGPs, I question whether or not transition (but not legal transition) should be allowed. The more we discriminate AGPs and prohibit transition, the more these men are gonna marry women, have children and then destroy these womens and childrens lives at some point. Perharps we should let them transition and let natural selection take its course.
Scientists should study why these errors (AGP and homosexual transsexualism) occur in the first place
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@RadLola Ten years of seeking root problems taught me that it's almost never biology but deliberately enforced narratives with concrete goals and how people react to them.
The GC idea of extrapolating the physical nature of sex on everything else and the implicit message that nobody has free will and that we arrived at this point in history through random stumbling makes me despair. It's factually wrong, is against the core messages and ideas of the second wave and is even more depressing than libfem.
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@RadLola There isn't. How can there be a biological component to like things which are culturally assigned to women in the west in the 2023 year AC?
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@Mynona Because neither AGP or homosexual transsexualism is attraction to or liking of the color pink or flowers per se (which are culturally associated to women in the west). If shaving your entire head was associated to women, trannies would shave their entire heads. Having a shaved head would be part of AGPs erotic fantasy of being women and thus contribute to their arousal
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@RadLola So how is getting off to whatever women do biological when there are simple social explanations that don't require evo psych (again)
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@Mynona Because if you seek the root of the problem you will eventually arrive at biology
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@RadLola Agp is social, it can't be bred out. Especially since having a family for a man actually contributes to wanting to troon out
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@Mynona Even if it has a learning component, which is questionable, there is definitely a stronger biological one too
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@Mynona Well if you can show me evidence that paraphilias in men are 100% caused by environment, are curable and explain all the evidence to the contrary than ok but I dont think you can because there isnt evidence of this. The John Money experiment conservatives/radfems talk about is evidence men are born with at least a high predisposition to be defected. A boy had his dick cut off, was raised as a girl and yet grew up to be a hererosexual man identified man. If cutting a babys dick off, administering estrogen and raising as girl wasnt enough to make him feel a girl, turn him into gay, AGP etc than I dont think environment can exert that much influence on certain features in men.
Recommended reading: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336818727_The_Poverty_of_Conditioning_Explanations_for_Sexual_Interests_Reply_to_Grey_2019
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@RadLola >raised as a girl
He was raised as a boy with his dick cut off while also being sexually abused by his "doctor"
>yet grew up to be a hererosexual male identified male
See previous point
>If cutting a babys dick off, administering estrogen and raising as girl wasnt enough to make him feel a trans, a girl, turn him into gay, etc than I dont think environment can exert that much influence on certain features in men.
For your statement to be true,
1) It should be true that you can give someone a homosexual orientation through surgeries and rape
2) It should be true that you can make a person forget whether they were born a boy or a girl and be unable to tell male bodies from female ones through surgeries and rape
3) It should be true that learned preferences can be changed through surgeries and rape
Academia serves male interests and is moderated by men and men constantly feign ignorance about the learned nature of their sexuality because to do otherwise would be to expose the entire system of male dominance and how it's artificially constructed and maintained through engineering of consciousness and consent as well as real physical threats to back it up.
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@RadLola Lol. Evolution theory is "whatever lives, lives". That all people are secretly motivated by passing on their genes even if they think they aren't and that free will doesn't exist is not implied by it. "Everyone wants to have a babby" theorists make a whole lot of unproven assumptions themselves and I pointed them out literally every time I replied to you but you keep ignoring that. This school of thought is basically faith dressed in scientific language.
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@Mynona So you dont believe in evolution theory either?
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@Mynona "And where's "evidence" that being "raised as a girl" (whatever that means) makes someone a girl and makes them forget that they were born a boy and makes them forget that their dick was burned and cut off? "
You're the one making the point it does without evidence. Dont you believe women most women played with dolls as children, are heterossexual, etc because they were raised to do all that? He didnt "forget" he is a boy, he didn't know. His dick was cut off as a baby soon after he was born.
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@RadLola I'm totally not making the point that sex is socially learned. Why do I even have to point this ridiculous strawman out? I say agp is not inborn, you basically say "you're wrong because one of john money's victims knew he was a man"
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@Mynona You're denying all scientific evidence pointing to biology (simply because you dont feel it is true or want it to be true) without providing none to defend your point view. I'm done
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@RadLola If for you evidence is an existing "scientific" article of some dude with musings about how a behaviour can be explained by wanting to pass on one's genes or how a behavior can be explained by natural population control or some such, it doesn't exist. Read a feminist author that tackles genderism, like Jeffreys or Raymond.
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@Mynona He was raised as parents typically raise girls. He was told his entire childhood he was a girl and he was pushed to play with dolls, have certain mannerisms etc. My question to you: If this isnt enough environmental influence to alter someone then please, tell me what is! What makes a man a gay then?
Why are men evil?
>Because of patriarchy
>Why did patriarchy come into place in the first place?
Because men are evil and were born evil. They are innately defected. 90% of sexual offenses are committed by men and you wanna tell me this difference in numbers between men and women are due to, idk, women being "raised better"? Women ARE better
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@RadLola And where's "evidence" that being "raised as a girl" (whatever that means) makes someone a girl and makes them forget that they were born a boy and makes them forget that their dick was burned and cut off? Why are you even raising that point in a conversation about learned preferences when knowing what your sex is is not a learned preference but an observation of reality?
Yes people can be successfully conditioned en masse. To deny that is to know nothing about history. Also it's ironic to say that men are biologically defective while relying on their "research" for information instead of feminist authors and historians who have no intetest in defending and whitewashing men.
RadLola
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