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   Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora: (bookwar@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 06:29:03 JST Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora:

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   • Oro "it's flatpak time" 🏳️‍🌈

   @orowith2os You are speaking from a position that developer is all-knowing and all-capable entity which has the only authority in any question regarding the software they write and ship.

   This is a wrong assumption.

   Developers, even those paid senior titles can make dummy mistakes, and can make very bad architectural decisions, or sometimes they just disappear.

   Developers can be bad at system engineering or maintenance or support.

   It is not an insult, just people are not perfect.

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     Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora: (bookwar@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 06:29:04 JST Aleksandra Fedorova :fedora:

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     • Oro "it's flatpak time" 🏳️‍🌈

     @orowith2os

     I, personally, hate when developers _think_ that they don't rely on other people to write, package and ship their software to end users.

     Flatpak is a a packaging tool, it can be used in good and bad ways.

     I don't think it helps the conversation, when you present flatpak as a way how developers do not need to care about integration, dependencies, community, underlying system or distributing infrastructure.

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     Oro "it's flatpak time" 🏳️‍🌈 (orowith2os@tech.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 06:29:04 JST Oro "it's flatpak time" 🏳️‍🌈

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     @bookwar

     I never implied any of that. I said that developers don't need to rely on others to ship *their* software to end users, the developers can take control for themselves.

     The developers still have to deal with the environment their software builds in and how it works for end users, but now they don't have to worry about their software running on hundreds of different systems and needing to find *very* specific bugs within each one. System bugs go to the system developers, application bugs go to application developers. System bugs don't go to the application developers.

     Flatpak doesn't at all take away the need to worry about the infra; that's Flathub's job, but even then, they force developers to build offline, thus needing them to think about it.

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     Oro "it's flatpak time" 🏳️‍🌈 (orowith2os@tech.lgbt)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 06:29:05 JST Oro "it's flatpak time" 🏳️‍🌈

     You don't hate Flatpak.

     You hate the fact that developers don't need to track down 10 times more bugs, at the *minimum*.

     You hate the fact that developers don't need to rely on other people to package and ship their software to end users.

     You hate the fact that developers don't need to support at least four different environments, all with different libraries and versions.

     You hate the fact that developers don't have to deal with the bullshit that's been plaguing the Linux desktop for the past 20 years.

     You hate the fact that developers can feasibly ship their software to end users in such a way that it's sustainable for the long term.

     You hate the fact that developers are less stressed and can put more time into making their software better.

     If you reply to this with something like "but mah CLI app support", "but mah storage", "but mah 5 FPS", or "but some stuff breaks" then read my replies to similar comments here, or consider that everyone has room for improvement.

     #Flatpak #Linux #Flathub