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   MagicLike 🏳️‍🌈 (magiclike@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jun-2023 07:42:47 JST MagicLike 🏳️‍🌈

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   • FediTips has moved!

   @feditips holy shit... - Just deleted my account...

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jun-2023 07:42:48 JST FediTips has moved!

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     I deeply regret ever having publicised Lemmy. I'm really sorry.

     Don't use Lemmy.

     For whatever my opinion is worth any more, I would now recommend that people cancel their donations to Lemmy, stay as far away from Lemmy as possible, and donate to another Fediverse project instead.

     I was wondering whether to stay quiet, but it seemed better to speak up and say something

     6/6

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jun-2023 07:42:49 JST FediTips has moved!

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     You get the picture.

     These posts were on the main Lemmy instance, as featured on the official Lemmy website.

     Over the past few days I have tried to engage with Lemmy about these posts in private, as I was sure it must be a misunderstanding.

     However, Lemmy said that "none of the posts you linked are against our rules", and refused to even discuss the actual issues because "this format is not conducive to political disagreements".

     5/6

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jun-2023 07:42:50 JST FediTips has moved!

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     There's threads denyng the oppression of Uyghur muslims (this oppression has been well documented by NGOs, for example: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/help-end-repression-uyghurs-china).

     Other posts deny that North Korea is oppressive.

     Meanwhile, another suggests celebrating Stalin's birthday as he was such a great guy.

     (Incidentally, I have receipts, DM me if you want to see them for yourself.)

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jun-2023 07:42:51 JST FediTips has moved!

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     The problem here isn't Lemmy's politics, but their attitude to threads about human rights violations.

     On the face of it, the developers' main Lemmy instance has lots of uncontroversial general interest threads, but when you start digging on controversial topics a worrying pattern emerges.

     The worrying posts are very reminiscent of the way certain churches have handled priest abuse claims: denial.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Jun-2023 07:42:52 JST FediTips has moved!

     Lemmy's developers say "we are strictly against all forms of oppression (including genocide), and dont allow anything that promotes or supports oppression" and "We definitely are very staunchly against bigotry or persecution of minorities, and are strict about banning that".

     This is difficult to fully reconcile with what actually happens on the developers' own instance, and those they feature.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 15:25:45 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Zeno Libre

     @blackFalconKing

     Tech is not neutral, it is affected by the values of the people who make it.

     If an online platform becomes popular, it gives the developers more influence, funding and power. I don't want to be giving that to people I don't trust.

     For example, the official Lemmy website advertises the problematic instances. And it seems the Lemmy devs run the problematic instances.

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     Zeno Libre (blackfalconking@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 15:25:46 JST Zeno Libre

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     @feditips
     You seem to be missing the point. We want to promote decentralised systems in order to not having to deal with anyone's (including the original developer's) opinions.
     Anyone can create an instance/server in the fediverse, including Mastodon and Lemmy, without having to deal with the opinions of the owners (like twitter, facebook, reddit) since there isn't one.
     Let's not shoot our own feet.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 15:25:47 JST FediTips has moved!

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     p.p.p.s. There was an older "reddit for the Fediverse" project called Prismo which had some working instances at one point.

     Perhaps someone could resurrect it, to provide an alternative to Lemmy?

     https://gitlab.com/prismosuite/prismo

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 15:25:48 JST FediTips has moved!

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     p.p.s. Someone has pointed out that lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).

     Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their "join lemmy" site.

     Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Jun-2023 15:25:49 JST FediTips has moved!

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     p.s. I put the wrong link for Amnesty, the Uyghur report is here:

     https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/4137/2021/ug/

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 01:36:41 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • mariskus🏳️‍⚧️

     @mariskus

     Yeah, it's crazy, they call themselves left wing but defend far right people like Putin.

     Also, their first messages to me tried to imply their critics were all troublemakers. I think when they receive criticism, they try to attack the people giving the criticism.

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     mariskus🏳️‍⚧️ (mariskus@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 01:36:42 JST mariskus🏳️‍⚧️

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     @feditips they even defend Putin too, I got downvoted for calling someone out on that

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     LAUREN (noondlyt@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Jun-2023 16:08:32 JST LAUREN

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     @feditips This feels like a both sides are right scenario. If they can look at posts that minimize human suffering and feel ok about it then they are not what they purport to be. Thank you for digging.

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     Noah Campbell (noahcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:24:26 JST Noah Campbell

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     @feditips you should really rephrase this as "don't use lemmy.ml" rather than encourage people to ignore the entire open source decentralized platform "Lemmy" where they could join another instance or host their own and completely avoid everything you're talking about.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:24:26 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Noah Campbell

     @noahcampbell

     Lemmy.ml (and I suspect Lemmygrad) are run by the lead dev of Lemmy itself. They use the Lemmy website to promote these instances.

     The more people that use Lemmy on any instance, the more power and funding the Lemmy lead developer gets.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:26:38 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • Nicolas Cropp
     • podiboq

     @nicolas @podiboq

     If the lead dev of Mastodon was running an instance like Lemmygrad, I would be telling everyone to leave Mastodon.

     If you use Lemmy on any instance, it will give the lead developer more power, influence and funding. The more people use a FOSS project, the more donations it gets and the more impact it has.

     For example they are using the official Lemmy website to give visibility to the vile instance Lemmygrad.

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     Nicolas Cropp (nicolas@social.lol)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:26:39 JST Nicolas Cropp

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     @feditips @podiboq Personally, it sounds like Mastodon - I don’t necessarily like the organization, but once the software is up on GitHub we use it as we like.

     Besides, what about Beehaw.org, a Lemmy instance well known for being quite nice and wholesome? Would you have them nuke their entire site and move to something else, just because of some threads on another instance?

     Maybe I won’t donate, but this seems excessive.

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     Nicolas Cropp (nicolas@social.lol)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:26:40 JST Nicolas Cropp

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     @feditips @podiboq Let me play a bit of devils advocate here. I think we should continue to use Lemmy, because what they do with their instance shouldn’t affect ours.

     Far as I’m concerned, the software is good. I deploy it and I don’t allow false information or such denial on my server. If Lemmy.ml devolves into a toxic cesspool, they can be defederated like anyone else.

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:28:59 JST FediTips has moved!

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     • gullevek ⚛️

     @gullevek

     The more people use Lemmy, the more power and influence and funding will flow to the lead developer of Lemmy.

     I don't feel comfortable giving that kind of influence to someone like that.

     It's up to you what you do, this is my own recommendation.

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     gullevek ⚛️ (gullevek@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 10-Jun-2023 18:29:02 JST gullevek ⚛️

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     @feditips You can setup your own instance and not connect it. #lemmy

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     hikeandbike (hikeandbike@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 11:05:44 JST hikeandbike

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     @feditips It doesn't resolve to the same IP address? At least, not for me.

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     moved (lime360@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 07-Jul-2023 02:39:03 JST moved

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     @feditips thank God I deleted my lemmy account for good. #BanLemmy