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   Ars Technica (arstechnica@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:27 JST Ars Technica

   COVID outbreak at CDC gathering infects 181 disease detectives

   Nearly all of the attendees were vaccinated, but 70% said they didn't mask.

   https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/05/covid-outbreak-at-cdc-gathering-infects-181-disease-detectives/?utm_brand=arstechnica&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=social

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     Andres Salomon (andres4ny@social.ridetrans.it)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:29 JST Andres Salomon

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     @arstechnica lol

     I read this headline to my wife (along with the date/location, and the additional comment that 10% of attendees caught it), and she responded with "oh yeah, my friend got covid at that conference."

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:29 JST clacke

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     • Carla Schroder
     @carlabean @arstechnica The Keynesian model for maintaining even transmission levels.
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     Carla Schroder (carlabean@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:30 JST Carla Schroder

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     @arstechnica "The CDC notes that the conference occurred when transmission levels were low, during which the CDC does not recommend wearing masks." So hey, boost those transmission levels! Swear to gawd we are the stupidest nation on earth.

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     The Lonesome Driver (jpaskaruk@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:32 JST The Lonesome Driver

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     @arstechnica For an alternate story, have a look at the photos from the recent @bsdcan conference - they had a rational policy.

     As a Canadian who actually is not *that* into BSD but really misses events, I said before I'm saying again, I am totally going next year.

     Does not surprise me that the BSD community is setting a better example than the supposed leaders of the fight.

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     Steve Desmond (ecosteve@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:36 JST Steve Desmond

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     @arstechnica our county is "95% at least one dose", but less than ⅓ got the bivalent booster: https://mstdn.science/@TompkinsNYCOVID/110459238517110297

     Getting a flu shot 2 years ago isn't going to help you much this coming winter...

     Aside: the bot broke last week because the CDC stopped tracking vaccines 3 weeks ago, since federal funding got dropped.

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     MarkusL (markusl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:43 JST MarkusL

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     • Dallas (Join Something IRL)

     @1dalm On a personal note, my former boss stepped down as a result of long Covid. He continued to work as a software engineer for a while, but was plagued by post-viral fatigue. This lunchtime, I attended his retirement do. I also learnt that the retirement of a second person in our smallish office had been forced by Covid.

     These are life-changing disabilities, and they're affecting people close to me.

     [Edit: typo]

     3/3

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     MarkusL (markusl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:44 JST MarkusL

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     • Dallas (Join Something IRL)

     @1dalm For reference, the population of the UK is about 69M. The figure of 1.5M people will be an underestimate:

     'Estimates include people living in private households and do not include those in communal establishments such as halls of residence, prisons, schools, hospitals, or care homes.'

     [Edit: copy & paste error. I'm having a bad night. 🙂]

     2/n

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     Dallas (Join Something IRL) (1dalm@deacon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:46 JST Dallas (Join Something IRL)

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     @markusl I would like to see a better statistical explanation of what the risks of severe long covid are. That seems to be hard to come by.

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     MarkusL (markusl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:46 JST MarkusL

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     • Dallas (Join Something IRL)

     @1dalm Here are some stats from the UK:

     https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/2february2023

     'Long COVID symptoms adversely affected the day-to-day activities of 1.5 million people (77% of those with self-reported long COVID), with 381,000 (19%) reporting that their ... day-to-day activities had been "limited a lot".

     'Fatigue [is] the most common symptom ... (71% of those with self-reported long COVID), followed by difficulty concentrating (52%), shortness of breath (48%) and muscle ache (47%).'

     1/n

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     MarkusL (markusl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:47 JST MarkusL

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     @1dalm

     What I'd really like to know is how many of the people infected have suffered long-term damage to their immune systems, their cognition, their energy levels or their physical fitness. #LongCovid scares me much more than the risk of death.

     @arstechnica

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     Dallas (Join Something IRL) (1dalm@deacon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:47 JST Dallas (Join Something IRL)

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     @markusl

     The biggest problem I have with the press on long covid is that long Covid is really not very well defined. Long covid seems to be defined as any COVID infection where any symptom symptom last longer than 2 weeks. That mean if you have a lingering cough for a few weeks after you have COVID then you had ”long covid" even though that doesn't negatively impact your day-to-day life. Certainly there are some instances of long covid that are very traumatic but those seem to be very very rare

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     Dallas (Join Something IRL) (1dalm@deacon.social)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:48 JST Dallas (Join Something IRL)

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     @arstechnica

     Yes, COVID still exists. It always will. Forever. It's never ever going away.

     But the important statistic you aren't sharing is not how many people got COVID but how many people attending got a severe case?

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     MarkusL (markusl@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:49 JST MarkusL

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     @mpjgregoire

     My ex-boss's infection occurred before vaccines were available. I'm not sure about the other chap.

     This article suggests that #vaccination reduces #LongCovid risk enough to be worthwhile, but not enough to let people "vax and relax":

     https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/vaccination-may-protect-against-long-covid

     (For the record, I'm up-to-date with Covid vaccines, and I intend to stay that way.)

     @1dalm

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     mpjgregoire@mamot.fr's status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 09:13:53 JST mpjgregoire

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     • Dallas (Join Something IRL)

     @markusl
     Do you know if they got long Covid from their first infections, or from subsequent ones? Had they been vaccinated?

     I am somewhat concerned about long Covid, but I'm not sure just how concerned I ought to be.

     @1dalm