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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:46:15 JST Sexy Moon
   FS suggestion: not BTRFS
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:46:13 JST Hélène

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     @Moon why not?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:47:16 JST Sexy Moon

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     @helene i've tons of failures and various problems
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:47:36 JST Hélène

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     @Moon oh? what kinds? honestly very interested in btrfs, I've considered writing drivers for it
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     Kayomn (kayomn@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:47:56 JST Kayomn

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     i prefer my filesystems without butter

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:51:45 JST Sexy Moon

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     @helene main one is prolems when drive fills up. for example, not being able to delete files when it fills up so having to add a usb stick to the volume to expand it, delete files then remove usb expansion. i've had it corrupt fs when running out of space. i've had the fs just fail and not boot
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:53:14 JST Hélène

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     @Moon yeah the "running out of space" issue is serious, everytime it's happened to me it's been quite bad, I feel like there should be some kind of reserved space allocating things differently or something but I don't know enough about the FS architecture
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:53:21 JST Sexy Moon

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     • Hélène
     @helene people always have explanations and excuses for why btrfs failures happen but it never happens to ext4 or xfs.
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:53:44 JST Hélène

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     @Moon very different kinds of filesystems really, it's like comparing fat32 to ntfs
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 18:57:23 JST Sexy Moon

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     @helene if i need snapshots i get zfs, i have only started using zfs for less than a year but it's working good. I am slightly annoyed that there's no snapshottable fs that can handle a database on it. there's lvm snapshots but they are so weird and confusing.
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:02:51 JST Hélène

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     @Moon btrfs is meant to be more flexible than zfs while also using newer technology; having different policies on files alone or folders without requiring to create subvolumes for example for compression, raid/mirroring etc is seriously neat, with all the validation stuff that exists and it being overall lighter than zfs
     
     to me it seems as though btrfs is in quite a weird position, I believe, as it tries to be the "ultimate filesystem" both for end users and the industry at large; but the big industry doesn't run out of disk space and doesn't worry about that, but they finance its development; while end users do worry about disk space and don't care about most features but don't finance it, so they're not prioritised
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     Grillchens Tagebuch (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:03:09 JST Grillchens Tagebuch

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     @helene @Moon
     
     have a btrfs horrorstory but tbh i still like it:
     
     >be me
     >use btrfs
     >weird setup with lvm and crypto, gentoo and dracut
     >happy
     >full disk
     >cant delete stuff because disk full. needs space to delete stuff
     >creates dump file on another disk
     >adds dump file to btrfs-partition
     >deletes stuff
     >yay
     >works fine again
     >restarts
     >oh btrfs crashes. partition size and meta data dont match
     > uhh :blobsweat:
     >realize i forgot to remove the dump file properly
     > i deleted it
     >remembers the exact size
     >creates new one. adds it to btrfs by chrooting from another non affected OS
     >remove it properly
     >reboots
     >works
     
     
     was a few years ago and not sure if this still can happen but being unable to delete stuff when the disk is full is a no-go for less adventurous users
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     Grillchens Tagebuch (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:03:10 JST Grillchens Tagebuch

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     @helene @Moon ah i just read the whole thread and see u had the same wonderful experience moon
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:03:24 JST Hélène

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     @khaosgrille @Moon I wouldn't mix btrfs and lvm for sure
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:04:29 JST Sexy Moon

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     @helene btrfs snapshots are definitely far more flexible yeah I admit I miss that but the zfs ones turned out to be good enough for my purposes.
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:05:22 JST Hélène

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     @Moon honestly, in the end, use what works best for you
     btrfs definitely isn't perfect, I like to see how much it has improved over the years though, and to see the native unofficial windows driver for it be seriously featureful and quite good
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:06:57 JST Sexy Moon

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     @helene @khaosgrille i didn't i just mentioned it also had snapshots but they're very confusing
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     Grillchens Tagebuch (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:10:08 JST Grillchens Tagebuch

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     @Moon @helene but in the end it is the most powerful/feature-heavy fs and i like my system just barely working so i still like btrfs alot. the dopamine-kick from using it right once is enough
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:10:19 JST Sexy Moon

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     @khaosgrille @helene ou two are convincing me to try again, i hate this
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 19:10:32 JST Hélène

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     @Moon @khaosgrille :hehecat:
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     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:02:37 JST Hélène

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     @duponin @khaosgrille @Moon it was @tost who had big issues with ext4 and data loss in practical cases, and she recommended btrfs more
     and I'd definitely trust her on that
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     your new favourite fungus (duponin@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:02:38 JST your new favourite fungus

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     @Moon @khaosgrille @helene i find BTRFS much more weird than ZFS
     for a server i would trust no FS but EXT4 and ZFS
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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:10:03 JST Tosti ?

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     @helene@p.helene.moe @duponin@udongein.xyz @khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be @Moon@shitposter.club if you want a "simple" server FS use XFS, never touch ext4 indeed

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     Grillchens Tagebuch (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:12:41 JST Grillchens Tagebuch

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     @tost @Moon @duponin @helene ext4 is plain, simple and does its stuff. but it has not much going for it when issues occur. btrfs has ways to recover and redundancy built in.
     
     ext4 seems better for movie storage when data loss aint important and but the storage size is
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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:12:46 JST Tosti ?

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     @khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be @Moon@shitposter.club @duponin@udongein.xyz @helene@p.helene.moe
     ext4 is conceptually plain and simple and does its stuff
     in practice it is a cursed bundle of code for whom having issues is not the exception, but the rule
     
     for the mass media storage use-case I'd actually recommend exfat

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:12:56 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tost @duponin @khaosgrille @helene haven't had a problem since ext2 pre-journaling
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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:12:58 JST Tosti ?

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @duponin@udongein.xyz @khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be @helene@p.helene.moe I hope you will continue getting lucky

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:15:49 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tost @duponin @khaosgrille @helene normally i am on your side of the argument but it's been over 20 years and by comparison i've had double-digit number of borderline-catastrophes with btrfs.
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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:15:51 JST Tosti ?

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @duponin@udongein.xyz @khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be @helene@p.helene.moe
     I have the opposite experience (minus the over 20 years)
     every issue I've had with btrfs has generally been user-error or similar
     ext4 meanwhile is just a ticking timebomb every time

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:16:27 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tost @duponin @khaosgrille @helene well the good news is i respect you and if you tell me that i believe you.
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     Tosti ? (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:19:39 JST Tosti ?

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @duponin@udongein.xyz @khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be @helene@p.helene.moe I do really think xfs would work better for you - it's "simpler" and so doesn't have any of the same failure modes as btrfs COULD have, but has an actually non-garbage codebase
     the only issue with it, imo, is you can't shrink it, but that's not super relevant for server use-cases

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:19:41 JST Sexy Moon

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     @tost @duponin @khaosgrille @helene nothing against xfs, its what I switched to on my desktop after the last time i had a problem with btrfs.
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     xue (xue@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 09-Sep-2022 20:49:54 JST xue

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     @Moon @khaosgrille @tost @helene @duponin
     Its funny that os prober still cant recognize btrfs
     also xfs is the best
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