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   Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 04:52:40 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

   christine what do you think about bluesky christine what do you think about it

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 04:52:36 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     Regarding "AT was written because ActivityPub can't handle portable content and identity", I wrote up stuff about this *in 2017* https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot5-boston/blob/master/final-documents/activitypub-decentralized-distributed.md and wrote a demo on how to do the portable content part https://gitlab.com/spritely/golem/blob/master/README.org

     Good luck to the Bluesky / AT folks, truly. The main thing that frustrates me is this claim that AP can't do this though. (The Bluesky folks are aware of this, we both wrote some documents about it together, so they *should* know, that's my main irritation with the FAQ item that says ActivityPub can't do it.)

     But also:

     - I am not currently focused on ActivityPub so maybe it's not the best question to direct at me anymore
     - I am focused on Spritely, which will eventually loop back to AP stuff, but that's not its current focus (it's a bit more general and dare I say a bit more revolutionary to how applications are written than that)
     - I have never been interested in making a Twitter replacement because I am not convinced a global content space is necessarily a good idea
     - It's good that almost everyone agrees that decentralized networks are fundamentally necessary now though
     - I am glad that AT/Bluesky is using DIDs and some other components that really might be truly useful
     - I am not the best person to ask this question, but I guess I am one of the most obvious people to ask this question

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 04:52:38 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     my precise opinion on this matter is *blood begins pouring from every pore of my body and begins filling the room*

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     lori (lori@hackers.town)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 16:08:43 JST lori

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     @cwebber okay but christine what do you think of orkut

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 16:08:43 JST clacke

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     • lori
     @cwebber @lori I'm betting on SixDegrees. It was the first online social network I joined and it is biding its time.
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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 16:08:45 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • lori

     @lori it's the future

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:44 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Mike Hanley
     • bryan newbold

     @bnewbold @ehashman @lathamgreen That makes sense! And I haven't been against the AT work, I've been bothered by the Bluesky (mis)communication about AP's ease of ability to be used for these purposes. I spent a bunch of time making sure during the spec authoring process that AP could be.

     I agree that there's a different lineage though, and that the brightest future may be ahead and something convergent, and we don't know what it is yet.

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     bryan newbold (bnewbold@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:45 JST bryan newbold

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     • Mike Hanley

     @cwebber @ehashman @lathamgreen I think we are not handling activitypub/bluesky communication well.

     part of this is that many of us on the team see ourselves as coming from a different lineage, that of scuttlebutt and dat://. merkel-dag-verse, not W3C-verse. which is a much smaller community, granted, but a pretty thoughtful and values-driven. it feels like we are stemming from that work closer towards activitypub; and that we will all inevitably be sythensized together by a future successor

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:46 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Mike Hanley
     • bryan newbold

     @ehashman @lathamgreen @bnewbold No doubt. The FAQ item claiming AP *couldn't* do it stung though because I spent a large amount of time detailing with Jay about how to do this, we even co-authored a document about it (maybe she didn't write that FAQ item or notice it though, I haven't talked with her about it, and maybe I should instead of just being frustrated about it here...).

     I think that if they were going to build something that looked so much like decentralized AP, they could have started with the decentralized AP we spent time talking about... or at least not claim that it wasn't possible.

     But I think there are some positive things coming out of the work, whether or not it succeeds. And again, I like and admire Jay Graber a lot, and I'm glad there are other good people involved. I'm serious when I say I wish the project luck in its particular domain of work, maybe something interesting will come out of it.

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     e. hashman (ehashman@toot.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:47 JST e. hashman

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     • bryan newbold

     @cwebber @lathamgreen there are other cool people on the team building it too. I had no idea @bnewbold had left the IA to work on bluesky until I made an account!

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:48 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Mike Hanley

     @lathamgreen Jay Graber might be the best part about Bluesky

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:50 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Mike Hanley

     @lathamgreen I actually *do* think that Jay Graber is very competent and I respect her a lot

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     Mike Hanley (lathamgreen@ravenation.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-May-2023 21:12:51 JST Mike Hanley

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     @cwebber jay graber seems very competent