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   CSB ≡ Comic Strip Blogger (csb@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 16:40:39 JST CSB ≡ Comic Strip Blogger

   not all living off benefits are scroungers

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 16:40:35 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @PakkonenCT @CSB @melodiousowls I disagree. I actually think a UBI that is specifically targeted below a liveable wage would encourage employment. For all those currently on institutional welfare they would be encouraged to do part time work. For many of those people a full time job that pays sufficiently more than their government benefits is out of reach. But a part time job isn't.

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     @melodiousowls @PakkonenCT

     Universal Basic Income ?

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     @CSB @melodiousowls same issue but bigger. Huge misallocation of capital.

     The solution is better economic planning for both the long and short term. Just throwing money at it doesn't solve anything. It's a perverse incentive issue.

     You need to incentivize work and productivity. UBI doesn't address that in fact the opposite.

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     @melodiousowls @CSB it's institutional perversion. They don't solve the problem. The program must expand.

     The bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy

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     @PakkonenCT @CSB Up Next: FedNow!

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     @CSB true but the programs often aren't designed to get people off. Rather to grow the number who make use.

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     so those people on benefits are innocent and not lazy?

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     Tom Starkweather (melodiousowls@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 16:40:38 JST Tom Starkweather

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     @CSB @PakkonenCT some probably all no, being made more dependent on the government is the point.

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     @PakkonenCT @CSB @melodiousowls A person with part time work is far more likely to improve themselves then someone stuck at home on lifetime welfare. the main thing that I think welfare needs to accomplish is to get people off zero. If you have zero you can achieve nothing.

     Also people sometimes run into some really bad luck. And when the ahi really hits the fan, $100 in your bank account will allow you to eat without having to spend a week lining up at the unemployment office filling in forms.

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     @PakkonenCT @CSB @melodiousowls another benefit of UBI is a natural disincentive for unskilled migration. A registered citizen receives UBI benefits, an immigrant does not. Which means a citizen needs to be paid less for the same standard of living. Which means the only people that would want to migrate are those make enough money and paying enough taxes that the UBI becomes irrelevant. Which should be the case for 90% of the population.

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     @Zerglingman @CSB @PakkonenCT @melodiousowls are you getting benefits at the moment?

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     @ned @melodiousowls @CSB @PakkonenCT I could do 3 days a week at minimum wage and still be making about 50% more than I currently do.
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     @Zerglingman @CSB @PakkonenCT @melodiousowls the problem is less so the wage and more so the costs. Say someone offers you a job, but you have to drive. So that means now you now need a licence, you need a car, you need to pay for rego, insurance, petrol, parking, tolls. You spend 3 hours a day in traffic plus the 9 hours at work. You have to pay for your uniform, dry cleaning, lunch, etc. You work those 3 days at minimum wage and end up very tired with less money.

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     @Zerglingman @CSB @PakkonenCT @melodiousowls the employers are the other side of the problem. There needs to be space for short-term employment for people of questionable character. Focus on employee rights just raises the bar for employers looking for staff. It's not worth hiring anyone unless you are willing to spend $50,000 on them. Which means stable middle class applicants only. Must have all your shit together already.

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     @melodiousowls @PakkonenCT @CSB @ned (*And I would, happily, if there were a single fucking employer that would speak to me.)
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     @ned @CSB @melodiousowls lol there's no such thing as a living wage. Keep that money printer going brrrrtt

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     @ned @CSB @melodiousowls welfare isn't zero
     Zero is zero

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     @ned @CSB @melodiousowls oh good now we're on GLOBAL UBI?

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     @ned @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls oh good now not only do you have a right to my income via taxes but now you will force someone to employ another person at gun point?

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Saturday, 29-Apr-2023 22:34:10 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @PakkonenCT @CSB @melodiousowls No. I think you misunderstood.

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     @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls We seem to be thinking in opposite directions. What I'm trying to describe is reducing welfare dependency and deregulating labour laws.

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     @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls The difference between current welfare system and UBI is with the current system if you get a job you loose your benefits. This is a negative incentive. unless you get a well paying job. Which no one will ever give you.

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     @ned @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls lol you're not supposed to get benefits if you have a job. When the tax payers give you more than a private employer...you're paying too much in benefits

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     @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @ned lol no it would not. UBI becomes universal living income. Up up and away yet more trillions in debt obligations.

     And none of it backed up by productivity. It's anti work. It's inflationary as all heck.

     Take your hands out of my pockets thief.

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     @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls > UBI becomes universal living income

     This is an argument I sympathise with. And it's the problem with democracy in general. However I can't help but feel you are terrified of a possible situation in which we currently exist already.

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     @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @ned your soul is your business

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     @PakkonenCT @ned @melodiousowls @CSB Yes. That's why I advocate for the complete destruction of jobactive/newstart/etc.
     In favour of UBI, because it would cost the country substantially -less-.
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     @ned @melodiousowls @CSB @PakkonenCT I don't consider that a disincentive. I think of it more along the lines of changing jobs; of course you shouldn't keep getting paid for a job you left when you're now getting paid for some other job.
     This is a job with a really high hourly wage, but it destroys your soul.
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     @ned @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls no its just natural. Bureaucracies expand to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracies

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     Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺 (ned@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 01-May-2023 10:34:30 JST Sir Nedwood - Sydney 🇦🇺

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     @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls what do you mean "no"? I agree.

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     @ned @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls I mean no I am not terrified and no we are not in that situation yet. However UBI proponents will get us there if they get their way if through institutional momentum and nothing else

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     @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls I think we're well down that slippery slope with no way of stopping without DRASTIC cultural and political changes.

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     @ned @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls and your idea is to make it worse. Got it lol

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     @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls not what I said, no.

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     @ned @PakkonenCT @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls Sadly I don't think Australia can be saved. There seems to be no stopping
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     @billy_hughes @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @PakkonenCT "Australia" lol, you don't get it.

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     @ned @billy_hughes @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls oh I get it.

     If throwing money at the problem was the solution then the problem would have been solved a long time ago

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     @charliebrownau @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @PakkonenCT @billy_hughes focusing on UBI as the formation for the world Jewish dictatorship is the same error as putting the WEF on a pedistool as the grand new world order conspiracy focus.

     The WEF is just a drinking club. The methods that the elite use to control you is not contained in 1 institution or idea. It permeates EVERYTHING.

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     @ned @billy_hughes @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @PakkonenCT UBI will be the formation of the World Social Credit System
     
     Smart Surveillance State System aka World Jewish Dictatorship
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     @ned @charliebrownau @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @billy_hughes oh it's a post guy.

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     @PakkonenCT @billy_hughes @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls I was referring to the fact that this is not an "Australia" problem.

     The thing is my argument is not based on giving out more money. it's based on giving out less overall (after taxes). But changing the method by which gibs are determined who receives them and how much. Yes there are problems, but my original disagreement still stands.

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     @charliebrownau @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @PakkonenCT @billy_hughes guys guys, we're all fediverse losers here.

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     @PakkonenCT @ned @Zerglingman @CSB @melodiousowls @billy_hughes ohh its a noagendasocial guy