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   jenifer daniels ♎ :verified: (jentrification@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 03:40:18 JST jenifer daniels ♎ :verified:

   this is a serious Q that i would benefit from having being boosted.

   my family and I want to vacation at a dude ranch in Montana, is this realistic for a liberal Black family?

   tia

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 03:40:17 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @jentrification
     Speaking as a white Colorado kid, so not the person you’re looking for, but maybe my info is adjecent to useful:

     Liberal, yes, for sure, no problem, the culture of “everyone shuts up about their politics if it’s a problem” is alive and well in most tourist businesses.

     Black…not so sure at all. Get some really, really good local intelligence on that one.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 04:43:55 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @jentrification
     I once was sitting around the fire — in Montana, in fact — and a group of very guy-ish guys got into laughing about the fun antics of shooting their assorted very large guns. That will totally happen. But then, the owner of that place we were all staying is an immigrant with an accent who covered the place in solar panels that enclose a organic greenhouse…and the guy guys had only the highest respect for him. Very typical of the West as I know it:

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     jenifer daniels ♎ :verified: (jentrification@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 04:43:56 JST jenifer daniels ♎ :verified:

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     • Paul Cantrell

     @inthehands very helpful. i am thinking of sitting around the fire and hearing someone start cheering book bans

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 04:46:55 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @jentrification
     not the “do not speak of politics, avoid conflict at all costs” attitude of the Upper Midwest, but a sense of “don’t tread on me and I won’t tread on you” as the golden rule. Those gun-shooting dudebros had nothing but disdain for the noisy, drunken group of college kids leaving beer cans by the river. Your opinions are your opinions, but making a mess for others crosses a line.

     Again, to be clear, I have no sense of whether / how that changes if you’re Black.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 12:25:24 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • RevJeber 🫶🏼

     @jeber @jentrification Idaho is…wild. I mean, National Park hopping there, you’re fine, but go too far off the main road…. Same for ultra-isolated portions of, say, WY, eastern MT, eastern OR.

     In the Mountain West, the scariest places are (1) super-isolated areas with no tourism, which are havens for groups who do not want to be seen by the outside world, and (2) exurbs that are just far enough from city centers to be exclusive white, but for residents to •feel• like brown people are nearby.

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     jenifer daniels ♎ :verified: (jentrification@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 12:25:25 JST jenifer daniels ♎ :verified:

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     • RevJeber 🫶🏼

     @jeber thank you very much for your candor

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     RevJeber 🫶🏼 (jeber@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 12:25:25 JST RevJeber 🫶🏼

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     @jentrification
     You’re welcome. I was born in California where the Navy kept overt racism at bay. Later I spent 13 years in Idaho, and had my first serious introduction to racism. It’s sad, because some of those white supremacist strongholds are the most beautiful parts of the NorthWest.

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     RevJeber 🫶🏼 (jeber@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Apr-2023 12:25:26 JST RevJeber 🫶🏼

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     @jentrification
     Sad to say, that may not be safe. If it were me, I'd consider New Mexico, Oregon, or even Northern California. I suspect you'd get a better reception there.
     Not that there aren't decent people in Montana, they're just harder to find and not too many of them will be "cowboys".

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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 08:17:26 JST GNU Too

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     • Paul Cantrell
     @inthehands@hachyderm.io don't tread on ANYONE
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Apr-2023 08:19:48 JST GNU Too

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     • Paul Cantrell
     @inthehands@hachyderm.io what does it mean to feel like brown people are near by?