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   vaartis running up that hill (vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 20:05:46 JST vaartis running up that hill
   Supposedly dishwashers are like 5 times more effective water-wise than just doing the dishes yourself
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 20:05:42 JST clacke

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     • Miander
     @vaartis @mian It's the same amount of energy.
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     vaartis running up that hill (vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 20:05:44 JST vaartis running up that hill

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     • Miander
     @mian I guess depends on where you get hot water in your tap. Might even be from a gas boiler and not an electric one.
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     Miander (mian@berserker.town)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 20:05:45 JST Miander

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     I wonder how they compare energy wize, considering that we wash with warm water.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 20:09:09 JST clacke

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     • Miander
     @loke @mian @vaartis I mean electric vs gas.
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     Elias Mårtenson (loke@functional.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 20:09:10 JST Elias Mårtenson

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     • Miander

     @clacke @vaartis @mian Less water means less energy, assuming it has to be heated to the same temperature.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 21:45:54 JST clacke

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     • Lomomari

     @polydraft @vaartis Ok, that's fair, if we're talking about price.

     So then, assuming the 1/5 claim is true, gas in your location costs 1/5 of what electricity costs and the dishwasher heats cold tap water with electricity, then handwashing could be cheaper.

     If the difference is that big you'll want a dishwasher that can make use of hot tap water.

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     Lomomari (polydraft@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 21:46:02 JST Lomomari

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     • clacke
     @clacke Same amount, but different price. In some countries hot water is provided from local powerplants as a coproduct of electricity generation, so it's quite cheap. Also some dishwashing machines use hot water from tap, so we need introduce quite a number of variables in the discussion
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 23:49:19 JST clacke

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     • Lomomari
     @polydraft I haven't checked, but have always been assuming that dishwashers that take in hot water are still prepared to heat it further if necessary, which should make the spreadsheet interesting when the hotwater starts cold.
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     Lomomari (polydraft@pl.kotobank.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Mar-2023 23:49:20 JST Lomomari

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     • clacke
     @clacke > can make use of hot tap water
     Theoretically yes, but there're nuances like "water in hot tap is not hot when the machine is starting, so it need to waste some not-hot-enough water to raise the temperature or wash poorly with warm water" or cost of machine repair and consumables, or ....
     
     Damn, we need a spreadsheet