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   silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 25-Mar-2023 00:40:18 JST silverwizard
   As AI art gets better and better at photorealistic art, it gets worse at *art* and better at *deception*. But of course, as it gets worse, it gets worse at *art* and better at *making garbage*.
   
   There is an obvious solution to this dilemma.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 25-Mar-2023 05:30:44 JST silverwizard

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     @mike I don't even think that GANs are the issue. GANs can be tuned for anything. It's just really hard to make a series of neural nodes that contain like "this makes me feel like a hug" or "this is cozy"
     
     We can make something look like a cozy piece, but it's going to be a little fucky. So as you make it more realistic, it's going to lose some of that cozy, but look more like a real image.
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     mike (mike@micro.mkp.ca)'s status on Saturday, 25-Mar-2023 05:30:45 JST mike

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     @silverwizard GANs (generative adversarial networks) have always been about deception. It’s a pair of models, one is learning to lie and the other is learning to detect those lies. I guess there’s a philosophical argument that something that cannot be proven to be a lie tends to resemble the truth, and that the better you can discern lies, the better you can perceive truth. But I don’t know if that’s true.

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2023 05:34:59 JST silverwizard

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     • mike
     @mike No I agree
     I was thinking about this image I saw of someone next to a TV with a person in the TV coming out to hug them.
     
     If an AI made it, it would look bad and dumb
     
     If a human made it, it means something weird and personal
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     mike (mike@micro.mkp.ca)'s status on Sunday, 26-Mar-2023 05:35:00 JST mike

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     @silverwizard Latent spaces don’t necessarily seem to have to work that way. I lean towards thinking generative AIs will be able to maintain many dimensions that don’t affect or attempt to compensate each other. “Realism” is ultimately just another parameter or artistic style; Dali’s surrealism is built on realism.