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nekobit shoutbox federation incident
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@MercurialBlack @thelioma @p @coolboymew >he changed the profile picture
at least keep it purple you disqordoid
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Just join me in my private Discord server I'll be like an uncle
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@thelioma @coolboymew gagrrlgn please impelemnt groups chats @cc @p
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@meso @coolboymew Group chats, sorry
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@thelioma @coolboymew its already supported dumass
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@coolboymew @meso They finally added chat support to pelmora
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@meso Federated shoutbox????
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@NEETzsche @meso @thelioma @p @revvy @corfiot @coolboymew I want to add onto this that normies I know extend this behavior into other similar things. I will enjoy indie games made by one person or a small group of people, but they won't give much other than AAA games a second look. The only indie game some of them seem to like is Stardew Valley since it's popular enough I guess. They have that one possible exception that shows that something not approved by a big corporation can be higher quality, but never expand on it beyond that.
They also do it with TV shows, preferring whatever shit is on Disney+ or some other platform instead of anything else. They're the kind of people who say broad sweeping statements about corporations bad, but then do nothing but suck off big corporations.
Something less relevant but connected is how much emphasis I see certain people put on canon in franchises. It sucks what Disney did to Star Wars, but who gives a shit if Disney officially says x or y isn't canon. You can enjoy it anyway and ignore Disney.
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@corfiot I shilled fedi hard for years and it just didn't go anywhere. Nobody cared. If it wasn't corporate shovelware they didn't want it. So I think it's ideological at this point. It's not about some little UI problems because they will use piece of shit software as long as it's built by a big corporation. It's about the software being built by a big corporation. If it's not built by a big corporation it isn't legitimate. This is how they on ironically view it they just won't admit to it. It's kind of like how leftists are anti-white but they will never use that label on themselves and they will resist all efforts on your part to apply that label to them. It's the same thing here.
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Interesting.
This means that they just want what every human wants, a group to belong to, where they can pat eachother on the back and talk about things they mostly agree about.
All mediums are perfect for that, IRC included. They just need someone to point them in the right direction. Tech has been taken over by big corps with an obvious benefit to keeping them uneducated and they use their grip on the masses to steer them to their next thing. Like meta working on a federated experiment, I read somewhere.
It's the clear fault of the tech sector that has allowed this crap to take place, lured by the money of the dotcom boom and silicon valley. We (I'm a techie, too) should have been advising people to get off these death platforms but we didn't. I, personally, as an IRC veteran kept telling people to get off facebook and make a website. To stop using whatsapp and instagram cause they're addiction personified. You may start to talk to family on FB but soon you're posting for likes. You may start to share your family photos with family on instagram but soon you're killing yourself over the imaginarily perfect life of your neighbor.
We let this shit happen and now that these tech giants are laying off people like there's no tomorrow for them (which is pretty close to true) we should all be feeling rather embarassed.
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@corfiot There's some element of that for sure. But with modern federated services in particular I think it's about laziness. They don't want to really absorb why the Twitters and Facebooks of the world are censoring them. They don't want a structural solution. What they want is a different entity to have the bad hammer, preferably an entity that lets them say the things they want to say. It's not about a structural fix, and if you present a structural fix to them like federation, they don't care. They want hands to change
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@NEETzsche
They're not looking to chat, they're tourists. Start thinking of normies as tourists. They visit a place, bring their culture with them, expect to be pampered, spend zero energy on discovering this new place they find themselves in and pollute everything around them with shit and plastics.
Then they go back home and complain about the people in the country they visited, only to come back again, to be able to tell themselves they had the ability to "go on holiday" and "break the routine" and feel like their lives are not totally, completely and utterly a boring routine they endure while they wait to "go on holiday".
These people want something that is 90% similar to what they already know and 10% different. They want something that they can tell people back home they did and get social credit. There is no social credit in going on IRC and chatting. Instagram has the photos, facebook has the likes, fedi currently has the hype.
The sad truth is, nobody wants to really chat, they want validation. IRC was good enough until super-validation came in the form of facebook et al.
I was on IRC back in the 90s, too. That was a shithole as well. At least it did its job well, and still does. It just solves a use-case that normies nowadays don't really want, if they're honest with themselves.
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@meso I've seen it for years but the last like five or so it's been beyond the pale. People hard refuse to use anything that doesn't exude corporateness, saying it looks "sketch" or "unprofessional" etc. The worst example of this I would say is social media and chat software. They will reduce the whole thing to the UI/UX. If you try to even broach the topic of federation it will not register at all. What they care about is if you can open up the image and then swipe left or right to go to the next one. Those kinds of things are the only issue normies will even consider when choosing software on their phone. And frankly, I'm not even sure it's really about that. I actually think it's really about not wanting to accept software written by Some Guy as legitimate. It must be overproduced bloatware by a big corporation or else it's gross and icky.
You have to know the mentality I'm talking about. I can't be the only crazy person who has noticed this
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@NEETzsche @thelioma @p @revvy @coolboymew
>"Um sweaty?? Is this some of that geek foss crap???? Ew. I want my iPhone"
I think the reason why this happens so often is because you know very well why free software is better for your privacy, security and well being, but normalfags haven't even begun to think about it yet. and the whole "ew foss" thing is a very recent coping mechanism, it was interesting to observe it develop among people
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@revvy @meso @thelioma @p I tried fucking everything to get goddamn normies to use IRC
Guides, easy to access webchat that goes directly to server and channel. They pop up and instantly go away, it's terrible
And that was pre Discord too
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@coolboymew Bro, I swear, normies have a literally magical ability to sniff out non-proprietary software like a hound so they can reflexively reject it.
"Um sweaty?? Is this some of that geek foss crap???? Ew. I want my iPhone"
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@p @meso @coolboymew @thelioma IRC is such a nice protocol, I wish people used it more often and it was more accessible for normies.
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@meso @thelioma @coolboymew It's called IRC.
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