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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2023 23:45:44 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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   this week in 'how is #Sweden doing'
   
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   > This is how Sweden’s herd immunity compares to New Zealand’s ZeroCovid in the long term. Shocking differences in excess mortality highlighting how important was to contain COVID. https://twitter.com/Atipico1996/status/1629514437253103618
   
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     darniil (darniil@chudbuds.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2023 23:45:41 JST darniil

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     Unfortunately, we'll never be free of these things. That's the problem with humans. Even if we get rid of the dumb causes of death that we have today, humanity will discover new dumb causes of death to replace the old ones.
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     xue (xue@collapsitarian.io)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2023 23:45:42 JST xue

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     dark jeff be like:
     you cant die, im gonna keep you on life support for eternity life must be preserved at all cost
     
     Whats your end goal Jeff? People dying of painful cancers?
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2023 23:45:42 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     Removing dumb causes of death that people don't need to die from.
     
     Curing cancers that we can get a hold and improving early-warning detection of cancers.
     
     The end goal is to have a future free of these things.
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     Coyote (coyote@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2023 23:45:43 JST Coyote

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     @jeffcliff @xue I lose faith a bit in how deeply New Zealand went into negative territory here. Something is funky in the data, the first reflex is a US based "less car accident and crime during lockdown" but it just doesn't wash it could go that hard that far that fast. Something is odd here, because I do trust excess mortality more, good data pick (compared to covid deaths), but, something is funky with this data.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Feb-2023 23:45:43 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     >sed "less car accident and crime during lockdown" but it just doesn't wash it could go that hard that far that fast.
     
     Even just preventing young people from killing themselves / eachother ( by not having them in public schools ) is a huge win, keeping people from driving is another huge win. Auto accidents kill 100,000s per year and any reduction in driving drives those numbers down. And then there's influenza - many of the public health measures taken against covid were ineffective against covid, but *effective* against influenza. Influenza can be a major killer, though roughly an order of magnitude less than covid.
     
     There are important discussions worth having, post-covid, in terms of reducing the impact of both public school and driving, long term, as well as eradicating influenza.
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     Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse (feralphilosophernc@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Mar-2023 00:07:14 JST Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse

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     When you build idiot proof, the universe provides better idiots.
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