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mixed feelings every time china disappears a billionaire, you feel me?
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@Moon hope they'll disappear the CCP some day
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@Moon i just find it hard to understand the mindset of someone who hates billionaires so much that they'd rather support the unjust and murderous ccp system.
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@lain i am probably overly concerned with purity. if china was basically on course ideologically and succeeding and they were "taming" billionaires it wouldn't bother me but they're basically evil clowns so the billionaire probably just angered a fat stupid regulator
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@lain @Moon CCP is probably just saving face when it's really the Chinese John Galt whisking them off to Atrantis
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@lain seems extra weird considering chinese market is completely shaped by the government so billionaires are completely their creation
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@Moon i really don't think that's true, but i'll have to read up on it more before i can actually have a sensible opinion on this
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@lain if i were a communist country i simply would not create billionaires
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@lain just do what i do and loudly assert something until it angers someone who actually knows and they show up to call me stupid. it's ego bruising but its super fast way to learn compared to stupid books
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@orekix @lain i realized what i said wsa dumb, its not a command economy but the gov doesn't even pretend it's a free market so if a rogue billionaire pops up, it's kind of your fault
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@Moon @lain
The CCP keeps party members on company boards to control dissent but it's not for economic motives, mostly I think
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@orekix @Moon my basic intuition on this would be that central planning doesn't suddenly work because it's chinese commies doing it.
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@Moon @lain Yeah but they don't have a staging environment so they need to find and fix critical bugs in production.
Ma was being too critical towards them, so he was fixed.
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@Moon @orekix thesis, antithesis, synthesis
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@Moon @lain
Socialism with Chinese Characteristics™️
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@lain @orekix i propose a hypothetical on which we should reshape all our governments: but what if it did work? wouldn't that be cool?
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@lain @orekix this is what happens when you don't even teach your bureaucrats mao anymore
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@Moon @orekix @lain Xi is fixing that, I'm sure.
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@Moon @lain and you know that the other person really know what they are talking about, because they are asserting it loudly
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@ep1 @lain your point of how do you actually trust it to say you're learning anything good is valid point. i think my position is that until you're somewhat deep in a subject it's hard to know how to even ask questions and engaging experts skips over that difficult step. its hard to get experts to talk to you because they are busy people. but a proven way to get an answer to a question is to make them mad enough to correct you. something similar to this has been observed in internet help forums. if you ask a question nobody helps you but if you say "this tool sucks it can't even do xyz right" then someone pops up and says "you're an idiot here's how you do it." i have tested this maybe over a thousand times in my life and it really works.
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@Moon @ep1 there's also the added issue that even being an actual expert in something doesn't mean that anything you say is even remotely correct. For example, most non-christians wouldn't think that the writings by the pope on the nature of the christian god are true in any way, even if he is one of the worlds foremost experts on it. There can be whole areas of expertise that are more or less hallucinations, and it's not always easy to figure out which is which.
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@Moon @lain interesting
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@ep1 @lain btw getting info from books has the same issue, possibly worse because there is a massive bias toward believing old books are authoritative but if someone on the internet tells me something i not only check if it's backed up i check if a bunch of people disagree
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@ep1 @lain oh also, when i think i know something its often the book version and when someone slaps me down its because they know more than the entry-level book
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@ep1 @lain detecting biased information is a skill and i believe i am good at it.
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@Moon @lain aren't you afraid that you are getting a warped information on some things?
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@ep1 @lain its an adaptation to the world becoming filled with tons of accessible information on every subject, but so much information you can't consume it all.
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@ep1 @lain of course because if they show up to call me stupid and wrong i still don't want to be stupid and wrong and if i look harder and find i'm still right then i win
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@Moon @lain the stubborness school of learning
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@ep1 @lain i'm basically not even joking i really do this. when they know what they're talking about they back it up.
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@Moon @lain > when they know what they're talking about they back it up do you check that?
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@lain @ep1 usually i know philosophically which experts i align with, but not always, like if theres an argument about mathematics, i'm fucked and i just ask shmibs. there are entire fields of expertise that are full of shit though because you look at their standards of rigor and just gotta walk away. as an example critical race theory is kind of multidisciplinary because it pulls from many fields but heavily from history, things you gotta be a specialist to actually know. but over time i found that when i checked a source it was a misinterpretation of the source. it happened so often that i ignore the entire discipline now.
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@icedquinn @lain @ep1 the stupid books part is a joke, i don't just assert stuff i believe at random, i still acquired knowledge somewhere but in a lot of cases you learn something at a dilettante level it's not a sufficient explanation or is so general its basically wrong. there is always someone who had learned that subject way more than i ever could
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@Moon @lain @ep1 :blobcatthonkang: people often just ignore me when i say stupid shit. i have to resort to the books.
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@moth_ball @lain move fast and break things
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@Moon @lain finally someone gets it
why be concerned about being 100% right from the get go when you can just course correct later
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