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   emenel (emenel@post.lurk.org)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 09:52:32 JST emenel

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   • Sexy Moon

   @Moon that’s not what i was saying…

   And if you want to understand my, and many others’, objections please read up. Many recent articles all over, both academic and journalistic, have explored the underlying ideologies, labour ethics, honesty in claims, funding … and more.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 09:52:33 JST Sexy Moon

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     @emenel my point is that the same arguments we already have since rejected about photography are being used again AI. contextually it is somewhat different but not all that different in my opinion.
     
     On a personal note i just haven't seen anything yet that convinced me that technology relating to AI art is moving too fast and we shouldn't be doing it.
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     emenel (emenel@post.lurk.org)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 09:52:34 JST emenel

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     @Moon i know this history and understand it. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make in relation to my post tbh, i never claim or argue that technology can’t be art or is somehow less.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 09:52:35 JST Sexy Moon

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     The simplest argument, supported by many painters and a section of the public, was that since photography was a mechanical device that involved physical and chemical procedures instead of human hand and spirit, it shouldn't be considered an art form; they believed camera images had more in common with fabrics produced by machinery in a mill than with handmade work created by inspiration. The second widely held view, shared by painters, photographers and some critics, was that, as a medium, it should be useful to other art disciplines but not as an art form in itself, since it couldn’t be considered equal in creativeness to drawing or painting.
     
     The French influential critic and poet Baudelaire believed that lazy and uncreative painters would turn to photography. He had as strong belief in art as an imaginative embodiment of cultivated ideas and dreams, and regarded photography as "a very humble servant of art and science, like printing and stenography" - a medium largely unable to transcend "external reality." They associated photography with the industrial madness at the time, which in their view would have tragic consequences on the spiritual qualities of life and art.
     
     Another approach opposing photography as art was the belief that with the growing acceptance and purchase of camera images by the middle class it was generating the "cheapening of art." In London at the time, for example, there were around 130 commercial establishments where anybody could purchase portraits, landscapes, genre scenes, and photographic reproductions of works of art.
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     emenel (emenel@post.lurk.org)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 09:52:36 JST emenel

     I've started to see more and more large language model interest (usually referred to as AI) in the contemporary art world. The language used around it--terms like AI, 'cognitive technologies', etc--are misleading at best and deeply concerning and dangerous imo. new media art/art+tech/etc has been so captured by the tech industry "progress at all costs" mindset that new tech is seen as good or neutral, critiques often ending up in the "more genderfluid drone operators" mode of so-called ethics.

     As artists in the 21st century we need to be, and are unavoidably, political. The complexities of that in the current context aren't lost on me ... but this uncritical acceptance of new tech because it's "cool", or under the guise of research (i.e. "this residency aims to research the creative affordances of cognitive technologies") is disturbing and dystopic.

     Personally, I'm conflicted about how much I can publicly call out organizations (or people) that are doing this before I sink my own career, but it's getting harder and harder to worry about that.