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   Josh Bressers (joshbressers@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jan-2023 03:58:12 JST Josh Bressers

   I feel like we aren't calling the 2038 problem the "epocholypse" often enough

   We should all try harder to make this a thing

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jan-2023 03:58:01 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • serious business :donor: :heart_cyber:
     the 32-bit time glass will be both empty and full
     time overflow will bring us back to 1970-01-01
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     serious business :donor: :heart_cyber: (ceresbzns@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jan-2023 03:58:11 JST serious business :donor: :heart_cyber:

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     @joshbressers

     What happens in 2038?

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Jan-2023 06:45:02 JST 翠星石

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo >time overflow will bring us back to 1970-01-01
     Signed integer overflow is undefined, but if you're using 2's complement, you'll end up with a negative number quite a bit before 1970-01-01 if negative numbers are interpreted to mean before 1970-01-01.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 02:27:06 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Þór Sigurðsson
     I post this from a 16-year-old computer
     I can still buy 32-bit machines today. if they are buggy and also last 16 years... they'd better be fixable
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     Þór Sigurðsson (thor@mast.ttk.is)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Jan-2023 02:27:08 JST Þór Sigurðsson

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     @joshbressers why? By 2038, the only 16-bit machines in action will be "Retro". Even IoT devices are migrating to 64 bits - including 64-bit daytime structs.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Thursday, 26-Jan-2023 06:56:37 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Þór Sigurðsson
     yeah. how about the GPS in your brand new car? or the shop-list management component in your fridge, or the TV show recorder, or the internet firewall with time-based rules? are those on sale today ready to work 16 years from now? surely they won't be covered by warranty by then, so if customers are going to be stopped from having the software fixed by third parties, that's planned obsolescence with a new twist to escape liability
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     Þór Sigurðsson (thor@mast.ttk.is)'s status on Thursday, 26-Jan-2023 06:56:40 JST Þór Sigurðsson

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo the only 32 bit machines you can buy (new) today are IoT (like ESP32, Arduino, etc) and for most of them, handling a date is not something of importance. All x86 currently available (new) are x86_64/amd64. Intel only manufactures 32-bit CPUs for embedded systems and AMD doesn't do 32-bit at all.

     Generally, when writing for an embedded system, it is YOUR responsibility to handle data correctness - not the OS'.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 30-Jan-2023 00:07:16 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Þór Sigurðsson
     i was not about you specifically, sir
     anyway, it looks like you're saying there's no problem whatsoever, that all products for sale and in shelves today will be either fine 16 years from now, or it will be ok for them to turn into landfillers, even if mindless greed didn't lead their makers to deprive users of the possibility of fixing this sort of problem.
     do I get you right?
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     Þór Sigurðsson (thor@mast.ttk.is)'s status on Monday, 30-Jan-2023 00:07:19 JST Þór Sigurðsson

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo There is no GPS in there, and even if there was, it would have rolled over at least several times by now. It has a rollover period of 19.6 years. The firewall is 64-bit already and it is also such a low-cost item that your argument doesn't even hold water using those. You are seeing dragons and ghosts where there are only gusts and shadows.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 22:31:53 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Þór Sigurðsson
     I'd rather not buy any computing equipment (regardless of price) whose software only the vendor is allowed to audit or fix.
     I'm old enough to remember how much work went into checking and fixing stuff so that Y2K was a whimper rather than a boom.
     yeah, fixable software can be patched and problems can be avoided. it's proprietary software that only suppliers can fix that has me worried, because they're more likely to leave old stuff unmaintained, unfixed and unfixable to make you buy their newer products
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     Þór Sigurðsson (thor@mast.ttk.is)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 22:31:55 JST Þór Sigurðsson

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo no, you're not. I'm saying there won't be any major problems. I'm also saying that if you purchase today expensive equipment without taking into account the possible issues that can arise wrt you planning to use it past its recommended lifetime, much of the responsibility lies on YOUR shoulders.

     But you just be you and keep yelling at clowds. I'm old enough to remeberber Y2K and its non-issues. Linux already proven that Y2K38 is solvable in software.

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