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   nekobit (nekofag@rdrama.cc)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jan-2023 12:04:53 JST nekobit
   #macroblog #lelelele after a while of looking for GNU Emacs alternatives and simply learning more about editors surrounding me, since I was kind of getting annoyed with Emacs' performance and my Elisp file was messy beyond repair, I decided to visit a very old friend of mine: Joe.
   
   I remember I used Joe with the wordstar bindings when I was a wee lad and somehow they still seem to click, just need to peep the Help pane again. No real reason why, I think i just didn't like Vi keybinds and Emacs was overwhelming at the time (I never liked Vi, personally. I am less efficient in Vi and I much prefer a mode-less environment). Wordstar keybinds are IMO a little bit nicer than Emacs, because I can still throw in any Emacs habits I developed, but Joe doesn't rely as much on sequential bindings for essentiall-er things, or rather, things that I often do. Most it uses is Ctrl-k, but a lot of commonly done things are a single keystroke, whereas with Emacs some commonly done things required pressing Ctrl-x or Ctrl-space (for marking)
   
   All the little tiny things that I truly care about are 100% supported in Joe, mainly... to read man pages + I can pipe in any unix command i want. The config syntax is ugly, much like Vimscript; but I suppose it's because it's not designed to be heavily scripted. It even has compiling which is perfectly all I need :hapyday:, although usually I just compile straight from the term...
   
   There'll probably be a thing or 2 of slops that I'll miss from GNU Emacs, but there are some things I won't miss: it being a fucking OS. Unfortunately I fell for the org-mode meme so that's gonna hurt. GNU Emacs feels (unironically saying this btw) like you're kind of locked down to it with things like Org-mode and GDB. I also spent a little bit of time procrastinating by editing my configs, but... with Emacs there's too much to edit and too much I want to do that it actually distracts me from getting work done
   
   I'll still keep GNU Emacs so I can read my emails. Yeah, I don't even want to use it as a text editor any more :catCry:
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     ICScaryThings (icscarythings@sleepy.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jan-2023 12:17:11 JST ICScaryThings

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     @nekofag GNU branded (as opposed to just licensed) software not being a bloated unmanageable mess challenge: impossible
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     nekobit (nekofag@rdrama.cc)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jan-2023 12:29:28 JST nekobit

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     @icscarythings I really, REALLY didn't need like 95% of what GNU Emacs really offered. I guess it goes all the way back to that one quote: Emacs is good at everything except for editing text. It really is just mediocre as an actual text editor.
     
     Electric mode was it's huge hit thing (basically: indention works in the way the -mode does), and it's nice in some cases... but then sometimes I want to break the rules of say, my C style syntax. Or maybe I want to work in a project that uses 3 spaces instead of 4... or GNU syntax (god bless). Unfortunately, requires a bit of work to alternate between them
     
     Also yes, I agree with the branding alone. GNU has always been more about branding than Licensing. Licensing was always more of a way to work around the shitty legal system. GPL is more of a cult, and while I do see why the ideas of GPL exist, a lot of people still manage to work around it anyway, and/or it just does more harm than good.
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     nekobit (nekofag@rdrama.cc)'s status on Friday, 20-Jan-2023 20:22:11 JST nekobit

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     @iska it natively supports ctags and yeah it supports recursive grep in a file
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     gnu/iskat (iska@mk.starnix.network)'s status on Friday, 20-Jan-2023 20:22:12 JST gnu/iskat

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     @nekofag@rdrama.cc joe mama
     can it do recursive grep and go to definition like in emacs?
     I know I can't leave anyway because slime and chat clients.