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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jan-2023 02:03:20 JST Alexandre Oliva

   • Kai Evans
   martin has already pointed out the most basic error in your post, but I wonder, what is your gold standard of commercial email/calendar client?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 07:20:01 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Kai Evans
     ISTM you've got a twisted pitch. the FS movement is about freedom, not products; nonfree software subjugates you, it's an injustice, so it doesn't belong in civilization. if you don't like what the software you use does, you should be free to improve it, or to fund whoever you trust to do so on your behalf, individually or collectively.
     me, I'm very happy with gnus and org-mode in emacs. I was genuinely curious about what you wanted for email and calendaring, but I wouldn't be surprised if you, like most people, had got so used to the human farming environments that you find them more comfortable than user-liberating and -controlled ones
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     Kai Evans (kaievans@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 07:20:02 JST Kai Evans

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     @lxo and that goes back to the main problem with gnu/foss philosophy, it's focus on software.

     It's a great approach to produce tech, like Linux kernel for example, but it consistently failing to produce great products. Because great products involve much more than just software

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 18:06:36 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Kai Evans
     engineering? I'm talking about politics and ethics!
     if given a choice of using your computer, running the same program, between having your hands tied behind your back and also your eyes blindfolded, or neither, which one would you choose?
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     Kai Evans (kaievans@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 18:06:37 JST Kai Evans

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     @lxo im sorry Alexandre, but what you're saying is basically a self justifying lunacy that has zero evidence in reality

     as I said to the other guy, RMS is a false prophet. the kind of freedom you're talking about is a lunacy that only cares about the engineering side of the equation. RMS basically had daddy issues in his youth, and you follow his path blindly like lemmings

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 18:29:05 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Kai Evans
     "FOSS licensing" is not what it's about. most software developed commercially in the world is written for a single customer, that gets source code and full rights, so it's freedom-respecting software. a lot of other software is developed for internal use, thus also freedom-respecting software. neither undergo licensing.
     even when it comes to licensed software, every one of the top 500 supercomputers runs GNU/Linux; all of big techs relies on and develops free software for their own operations; nearly all of the largest non-IT companies use and prefer free software. all of them realize and pursue the benefits afforded by software freedom.
     nonfree software is mostly relegated to suckers and losers, such as small businesses and individual computer users, who are trained and driven into dependence on nonfree software for benefit of software providers, surveillance capitalism and whatnot. let's not be ridiculous by suggesting that people prefer to be spied on, imposed misfeatures, denied desirable features, and forced into monopolies.
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     Kai Evans (kaievans@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 18:29:06 JST Kai Evans

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     @lxo Ill try this one time okay. just for the kicks of it.

     just go and eyeball the number of success stories between FOSS, permissive OSS, and proprietary OSS projects

     don't listen to me, look to the numbers. do you still think that production of the most useful software that advances the "civilisation" as you said, is a function of FOSS licensing?

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 18:33:04 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Kai Evans
     it's never been about someone else's making money. it's about respecting others' autonomy over their own computing. people don't enjoy being enslaved, subjugated, controlled, deprived of choice, forced to behave against their will, whether or not someone else benefits from it. some of us take a stand against all of that. other defend exploiters who benefit from subjugating others. whose side are you on, and why?
     https://www.fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/pub/against-software-tyranny.en.html
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     Kai Evans (kaievans@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 18:33:05 JST Kai Evans

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     @lxo I actually believe that both FOSS and proprietary software licensing, do essentially the same thing. They cock block each other from their software being used by the other group. Both of the sides are assholes who only care about themselves

     if you truly want to contribute to the society, you should permissively license you code and let anyone "steal" it. It doesn't matter if somebody makes money of it or not, well unless you're just being an envious shmuck about it, that is

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 20:28:43 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Kai Evans
     AFAIK Mastodon is AGPL, and so is GNU social, that I use.
     my (ancient) smartphone runs free software (GNU/Linux)
     my (also ancient) pocket watch (formerly a smartphone) runs replicant
     sorry to disappoint you
     
     now, being overpowered and unable to resist injustice is quite common, but embracing and promoting the injustice inflicting on yourself to others... that's the difference between victim and accomplice
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     Kai Evans (kaievans@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 20:28:44 JST Kai Evans

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     @lxo yes, blindfolded and with a dildo in my butt, lol

     You know that mastodon and underlying rails are not GNU GPL, right? What about the smartphone software that runs in your pocket, is that even OSS? Are you using them blindfolded and with a dildo in your butt?

     Do you even hear how moronic you free software folks sound? " Hat damn' I like my Emacs, and everyone who wants different just hates our freedoms!"

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 20:33:46 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Kai Evans
     at last we agree on something: the majority of (exploited) users run nonfree software and that powers the (exploitation) economy. we don't agree on whether that's a good thing, though.
     
     now, you don't seem to be debating in good faith. it gets tiring after a while. have a good life. I hope you find peace and freedom for yourself, for everyone you love, and for everyone you hate too.
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     Kai Evans (kaievans@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-2023 20:33:47 JST Kai Evans

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     @lxo yeah, right. While you're busy still fapping on supercomputers like it's 1999, proprietary software runs on billions of devices and powers the bulk of the economy

     And don't give the whole Linux everyone nonsense.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 14-Jan-2023 23:57:18 JST 翠星石

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     @lxo >AFAIK Mastodon is AGPL
     There was the AGPLv1 and the AGPLv1, but those weren't GNU and they weren't used much as they're not compatible with any version of the GPL.
     
     Mastodon and GNU Social are AGPLv3+.