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   pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 26-Apr-2025 10:29:23 JST pistolero

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   > Wtf is summer, do you mean Ass-Sweat?
   
   EVERY TIME YOU TALK, ALL I HEAR IS "SIXABONG SIXABONG"
   
   > some bitch no showing on a date
   
   A public snub after all of the frozen accounts and business seizures and whatnot? A public snub in *Japan*? It's not the equivalent of a bitch no-showing, it's deliberately antagonizing them. Japan was, having modernized heavily and having beaten Russia a couple of decades earlier, banking really hard on its new reputation as the only Asian country on par with the European countries that had come in and dominated the continent. China was basically it as far as Asia was concerned until what Mao called the "Century of Humiliation". So in addition to doing everything we could *except* shoot at them, we started repeatedly insulting them. Then, the second Pearl Harbor happened, we declare war on Germany: FDR had been promising Churchill that we'd be there as soon as he could get public support.
   
   > for the kamikazie attacks,
   
   No, what prompted those was us sending all of our aircraft carriers and Japan running out of ammunition. It was just regular bombing before that.
   
   > my view is that most southerners were just defending themselves
   
   They shot first.
   
   > it was clearly never about slavery
   
   You will have to either take my word for it or keep reading. The TL;DR was given above: you have to have some facts carefully eliminated from your view.
   
   See Judah P. Benjamin's speech to the goddamn Senate, right before he fled DC to join the new Confederate government: it was about slavery. "The wrongs under which the South is now suffering, and for which she seeks redress, seem to arise chiefly from a difference in our construction of the Constitution. You, Senators of the Republican party, assert, and your people whom you represent assert, that, under a just and fair interpretation of the Federal Constitution, it is right that you deny that our slaves, which directly and indirectly involve a value of more than four thousand million dollars, are property at all, or entitled to protection in Territories owned by the common Government. You assume the interpretation that it is right to encourage, by all possible means, directly and indirectly, the robbery of this property and to legislate so as to render its recovery as difficult and dangerous as possible; that it is right and proper and justifiable, under the Constitution, to prevent our mere transit across a sister State, to embark with our property on a lawful voyage, without being openly despoiled of it. You assert, and practice upon the assertion, that it is right to hold us up to the ban of mankind in speech, writing, and print, with every possible appliance of publicity, as thieves, robbers, murderers, villains, and criminals of the blackest dye, because we continue to own property which we owned at the time that we all signed the compact; that it is right that we should be exposed to spend our treasure in the purchase, or shed our blood in the conquest, of foreign territory, with no right to enter it for settlement without leaving behind our most valuable property, under penalty of its confiscation."
   
   William Tecumseh Sherman was the head of LSU, though it was a military academy and wasn't called LSU. His remarks to Boyd over dinner, before the war broke out: "The North can make a steam engine, locomotive or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or a pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical and determined people on earth - right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with."
   
   People keep repeating "Oh, it wasn't about that" but all of the people that started the war said what they were doing and why in public and it was written down by the doomed as well as the victors. *Why* that was the wedge issue is, as you can see from Benjamin's speech, money and power.
   
   > the north ended that later than the south did.
   
   Slavery was already illegal in the northern states; I don't know where you get this idea. Lincoln had promised that there would be no additional slave states: the reason that there was such a thing as a "slave state" was that there were states where slavery was illegal. In those states, it was illegal from the beginning, otherwise there wouldn't have been a three-fifths clause, drafted in order to get the slave states to not walk. (The northern states did not think the slaves should count when reckoning population for the purposes of representation in the House, the southern states wanted them to count. It was "make the numbers bigger" but the northern justification was that slaves were not citizens.) The things Judah P. Benjamin was complaining about were things like the Northwest Ordinance ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Ordinance#Prohibition_of_slavery ),
   
   As I have just said, you have the Southern Abridged Edition. It requires the facts to be carefully edited and some very large ones to disappear. It's as bad as the "Lincoln, the gay anti-racist hero of freedom" story if your goal is accuracy.
   
   I am all for a weaker federal government, but :facesofautism: I am not willing to endure historical inaccuracies :autismapproved: in order to get it.
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