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from my remarks at the panel: 'I think if I could just give you one thing to take away, the Internet Archive is a library. It is the greatest library in the world. If they overstepped during the pandemic, I think that’s an argument that you could make. The National Emergency Library was overstepping. It wasn’t sort of true to the original principles, maybe, of controlled digital lending in certain ways. I think you could make the argument either way. But it’s important to remember they stood down the minute the lawsuit was filed. The publishers weren’t actually really interested in the National Emergency Library. The purpose of the lawsuit is to make it so that ebooks can be considered as a different class, a new class, of unownable property that can be licensed only, that you would never be able to buy. I think it’s very dangerous that books should ever, ever be in that position.'