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   NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Monday, 28-Aug-2023 05:08:38 JST NEETzsche

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   Okay. You have claimed, that Marcion and Valentinus were definitively NOT Christians. The basis for your accusation is, and I quote, “I can give you the exact criteria by which they aren’t Christians. You have to serve the Jesus Christ that actually existed to be a Christian.” When prompted to show they fail this criteria, you failed to not once, but twice.

   In conclusion, there is no basis to believe they weren’t Christians. This places the score at Gnosticism 2, Orthodoxy 0. Let’s do a quick recap of where this conversation has led us:

   • Round One: opphunter88 claims that the early Church did not debate what is and is not scripture. It did, and Marcionites and Valentinus/Valentinians are cited as examples of people doing exactly that.

   • Round Two: opphunter88 claims that they don’t count because they aren’t Christians. He stakes out a criteria to claim they aren’t Christians but then fails to demonstrate that they meet it.

   Should we do a Round Three?