@robin1 @billearth42 @baptist_joshua_on_youtube There are a lot of wonky Protestant ideas out there, but the KJV only Baptists, usually self-labeled Independent Baptists may be some of the craziest. Deciding that an English translation of the Bible that was authorized by some Earthly king for use by a Church his predesor had established specifically so he could break Jesus's teaching on marriage is the only one that will ever be true takes some pretty strange theological gymnastics to accept, if not blind faith in some man who taught you those things. It is particularly surprising how many of the passages that appear so different from the rest of the English translations appear that they may actually be translations of the Latin Vulgate, which was the primary use of the Catholic Church since the 5th century, rather than the original Greek, which most other translations are. This leads some scholars to believe that some of the translators may not have actually understood Greek or Aramheic, which is useful in determining the meaning of Greek words used. For example in Matthew 18 the Greek using two different words, petros and petra, which are generally translated into English as rock. Some believers have tried to point to this to mean something different than it traditionally has, while in Aramehic, the languague Jesus acutally spoke, they both would be the same word, Kēpā’).
For example Matthew 16:18 The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English,
The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine noun as the proper name of a male.
As for as "bible" or "orignal bible"I'm not really sure what you are referring to, the NEw Testemant, as know today, didn't exist in its entirity until the 4th century when confirmed by Pope Innocent I. Prior to that many various texts from after the time of Jesus where referenced by believers, even in liturgy, which now would be classified as heretical, gnostic, or at the very least not the truly inspired word of God.
♲ @baptist_joshua_on_youtube@sysad.org:@ミ★ Confederate Space Force ★彡 You posted the following, but are apparently blocking me. I had told you I had planned to respond, but now I cannot respond on your post, so here I will.You stated:
**_the Reformers were far better Christians with purer doctrine than can be found anywhere on Earth now. Your charges against them are unfounded and unhelpful.
As for the KJV, people were saying the exact same thing about the Geneva Bibloe when the KJV first came out: The Geneva Bible is the only true Bible," they railed in exactly the same way you rail against the New American Standard, the English Standard Version, etc. Some are better than others, to be sure, truer to the original Greek and Hebrew found in the most ancient manuscripts, and freer from the grammatical misapplications of other translations. While I love the good ol' KJV, I do not reject all others out of hand, assigning "satanic" origins and motivations to the translators as you do. The #KJV-only debate is as old as the KJV itself is.
You are one of those guys that others call "more Baptist than Christian." You've got such a finely narrowed focus that it's little wonder you haven't found a church in 13+ years. Thus you ignore the Apostle's admonition not to neglect the assembling of yourselves together, but encouraging one another all the more as you see the day approaching (Hebrews 10:24, emphasis mine)." These last days it's more important than ever before in history that followers of Christ do so.
If you ever find the perfect church, don't join it! You'll ruin it._**
The Reformers were recently converted Roman Catholics. So they had the gospel, at that time, and still maintained some errors of Rome. Martin Luther, for instance, focuses so much on Satan and imagines to be talking to Satan at times. He rebuked his congregation for destroying Roman idols. He was not a perfect man and taught some error.
As to your comment on the Geneva Bible, so far as I know, it is a great Bible. It is virtually identical to the King James Version. I do rail against the New American Standard and the E.S.V., etc. They are not scripture. They contain scripture, but are not scripture. The modern "bibles" are good or bad translations of a text not used by ancient Christians. The King James Version is translated from the Textus Receptus/Maseretic Text. The modern "bibles" come from the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Both of these were soundly rejected by early Christians, and their arguments against it are still available today.
My Schooling included Bible history and preservation. God had men write the Bible per his chosen words. Many of them never knew each other, and lived far apart, yet it all works together. The ancient Christians had this Bible. Later, well after Christ's death and resurrection and ascension, some men came along and challenged the Bible. They had taken the Bible, denied the diety of Christ, and removed what they did not like in scripture. Ancient Christians you can read as they debate these other men and they learned the other men could provide zero proof that their "Bibles" were older or better, so they were refuted. Those illicit copies go on to become the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, both owned by the Roman Catlickers. They are old copies, and were supposedly, for a time, older than the copies extant of the real Bible, known as the Textus Receptus. Good Bibles were used and wore out quickly. So it was like having a DVD copy of Abraham Lincoln: Zombie Slayer, and having a Bluray of a real documentary on Abraham Lincoln. Ignorant people and those who don't actually have any real interest in the matter, other than to deny truth will say, "The DVD copy of Abe Lincoln: Zombie Slayer is an older copy, therefore it is the true story! Also, the newer documentary adds all sorts of details not found in the Zombie story!"
But we have all sorts of other ways to prove that the Textus Receptus is actually valid and correct. You have ancient Christians quoting from it. You have over 65,000 copies of it around the world, and now you have The Isaiah Scroll, which is officially the oldest known copy of a book of scripture, and it matches the Textus Receptus. The King James Version is a proper translation of the proper Bible, the Textus Receptus.
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