Notices by Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@octodon.social), page 6

Me, boots

Behold, the eyes!!!

(Late our cat would eat these and we would have to pay $90 to call poison control for cats. She was fine.)

a trick for when you gotta get on a video call and you wish you had put on a choker but you don't have time but you do have a headband

I really liked these pictures of me

Messy girl

I don't know why this face

Dressed up like a fancy person (well, fancy for me anyway)

I feel like I posted the thread on here but I have pictures of me posting with many lisp books if that is your Area of Interest

@22 @astraleureka @technomancy basically they can't have it both ways: either this stuff isn't copyrightable, and a leaked model can be taken and messed with, or it is copyrightable, in which case the foundational content is somehow incoporated, in which case they're violating copyright all the time

@22 @astraleureka @technomancy or that's my interpretation

@22 @astraleureka @technomancy similarly, before software was copyrightable, all software was free software and all source was open source :P

Wow the leaked AI doc where Google says "hey actually, the open source community is gonna completely beat both us and OpenAI at this machine learning model thing and we should stop pretending that's anything but true" is kinda just amazing https://www.semianalysis.com/p/google-we-have-no-moat-and-neither

@lathamgreen I actually *do* think that Jay Graber is very competent and I respect her a lot

@lathamgreen Jay Graber might be the best part about Bluesky

@ehashman @lathamgreen @bnewbold No doubt. The FAQ item claiming AP *couldn't* do it stung though because I spent a large amount of time detailing with Jay about how to do this, we even co-authored a document about it (maybe she didn't write that FAQ item or notice it though, I haven't talked with her about it, and maybe I should instead of just being frustrated about it here...).

I think that if they were going to build something that looked so much like decentralized AP, they could have started with the decentralized AP we spent time talking about... or at least not claim that it wasn't possible.

But I think there are some positive things coming out of the work, whether or not it succeeds. And again, I like and admire Jay Graber a lot, and I'm glad there are other good people involved. I'm serious when I say I wish the project luck in its particular domain of work, maybe something interesting will come out of it.

@bnewbold @ehashman @lathamgreen That makes sense! And I haven't been against the AT work, I've been bothered by the Bluesky (mis)communication about AP's ease of ability to be used for these purposes. I spent a bunch of time making sure during the spec authoring process that AP could be.

I agree that there's a different lineage though, and that the brightest future may be ahead and something convergent, and we don't know what it is yet.

@lori it's the future

christine what do you think about bluesky christine what do you think about it

my precise opinion on this matter is *blood begins pouring from every pore of my body and begins filling the room*

Regarding "AT was written because ActivityPub can't handle portable content and identity", I wrote up stuff about this *in 2017* https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot5-boston/blob/master/final-documents/activitypub-decentralized-distributed.md and wrote a demo on how to do the portable content part https://gitlab.com/spritely/golem/blob/master/README.org

Good luck to the Bluesky / AT folks, truly. The main thing that frustrates me is this claim that AP can't do this though. (The Bluesky folks are aware of this, we both wrote some documents about it together, so they *should* know, that's my main irritation with the FAQ item that says ActivityPub can't do it.)

But also:

- I am not currently focused on ActivityPub so maybe it's not the best question to direct at me anymore
- I am focused on Spritely, which will eventually loop back to AP stuff, but that's not its current focus (it's a bit more general and dare I say a bit more revolutionary to how applications are written than that)
- I have never been interested in making a Twitter replacement because I am not convinced a global content space is necessarily a good idea
- It's good that almost everyone agrees that decentralized networks are fundamentally necessary now though
- I am glad that AT/Bluesky is using DIDs and some other components that really might be truly useful
- I am not the best person to ask this question, but I guess I am one of the most obvious people to ask this question