Notices tagged with xmpp, page 12

Those of you in #mastodon / #fediverse know the benefits of #federation / #decentralization.

Though many of you might not be aware of (or even if you are aware might not actually be using) XMPP.

XMPP is a federated replacement for centralized messaging apps like #WhatsApp #Telegram #Signal etc

You are invited to try this with our community run public XMPP service at https://diasp.in/signup

We had to disable open sign ups due to spam, but we hope to reopen it soon.

#diaspin #diasp.in #xmpp

@yacc143
@ploum

Excellent, Andreas, so you are an expert voice of what happened.

Tim Chambers basically seconds an opposing view of #ThreadsDefederation on ranea.org, portrayed quite convincingly on ranea.org by #CoyoteTracks.

I can see their points but find others lacking (Fedi user tracking by #Meta, minority harassment, cultural aspects like inclusion, etc.):

https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/110693143880574672

With your hindsight of what happened with #XMPP, what is your take?

Just another friendly reminder to get off #Discord and use #IRC, #XMPP, or #Matrix instead. https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034705/discord-layoffs-17-percent-employees

There's still plenty of alternatives out there, even #forum platforms are still here.

#messaging #community

Discussing Embrace-Extend-and-Extinguish, @Gargron on @mike's podcast uses #XMPP as a historical analogy of how things can go wrong. He points out that XMPP had some self-inflicted problems, eg that the standard did not support new, desirable features quickly enough, like stickers in chat.

I hope we won't get the same problem in the #fediverse. #ActivityPub was created in 2018 and there is currently no W3C standards activity.

Maybe Mastodon could come back to W3C and help re-energize?

As it is a long, long tradition Conversations is available for free on the Google Play store for the last week of December.

This tradition was originally born so that when I meet people at Chaos Communication Congress and they ask what I do, they have an easy way to install Conversations. In that regard it's a very special year as we are seeing the return of CCC.

However if you are meeting loved ones to celebrate something else these days that’s fine too.🎄

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations

#37C3 #XMPP

@hexaheximal@blob.cat @protonmail @esm @hexaheximal

3. Why would I want to self-host #Matrix when it doesn't provide me with any convincing benefits compared to #Zulip, #XMPP+#OMEMO or even #IRC.

@esm indeed it does - espechally compared to #XMPP & #Zulip!

@hexaheximal @esm Why would anyone want that anyway?

There are native #XMPP+#OMEMO client for literally any relevant platform!
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111404942780525408

Interview by @mike with @Gargron.

So according to Eugen, he's been using XMPP during a time when people let their desktop PCs run all the time, which is ideal for XMPP's requirement to maintain an active connection from sender to recipient in order to actually deliver messages.

But when the world transitioned from desktop PCs to mobile phones, XMPP's requirement to stay always on was just not practical, and the world moved on from XMPP and onto other platforms.

The only way people used XMPP was through Facebook and Google Talk, but the mainstream really didn't have a strong appreciation for XMPP.

According to Eugen, Email is still going strong because everyone knows how to work with it

Effectively, embracing, extending, extinguishing is just not a thing for email yet.

https://flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGTuPBahqm6WY

#EEE #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #XMPP #Meta #BlockMeta #Threads #BlockThreads #AntiMetaFediPact

I find myself these days hesitant to even consider any private messengers if they don't have the option to verify which devices/keys have access to your messages. #Signal, #XMPP / OMEMO, #Matrix, hell even Facebook Messenger's E2EE chats let you verify which devices can read your messages. If you're encrypting your users' messages, but they can't verify whether a rogue device has access to their messages, then why even bother encrypting them?

#Encryption #Security #Cybersecurity #Privacy

One of the big things @Gargron talks about in this interview is his experience with #XMPP and whether or not the embrace, extend, extinguish playbook would work in the #fediverse. This discussion happens at minute 41

https://flipboard.video/w/cTBu4HusskGTuPBahqm6WY

If I were in a room with #discord, #irc and #xmpp and had a pistol with two bullets, I would shoot discord twice.

I, and a lot of folks who do much remember #Google effectly left #XMPP in the wasteland back in the first half of the 2010s and we're still paying that price today.

Here's @ploum from this past June which still resonates and a huge warning to all of Fedi. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

#Fediverse #ActivityPub

#threads is only federating and integrating ActivityPub so it can 1) dominate code contributions and steer the protocol in a corporate-friendly direction, and then 2) eventually discard it in favor of a closed protocol, using some excuse of “increased security” or “innovative new technology”. No more, and no less. Apple and Google did the exact same thing to #XMPP.

@peertube @fediversereport Congratulations for using the wonderful #livechatplugin by @John_Livingston ! By the way:

If you have an account on a PT instance with (a recent version of) the livestream chat plugin installed, you can join from there: just copy/paste the live url in the search bar of your instance

The key was adopting #XMPP protocol for the chat; the @prosodyim server embedded into the plugin federates with other instances like Peertube ones.

You can join the chat with your XMPP client of choice as well! (And you identity is not revealed to other participants, being the chat semi-anonymous)

@m_artigiani Personally, it's not that it's being explained poorly, rather, people are too used to siloed / closed-garden #SNS that they find it hard to get their heads around it.

For example, in the #messenger / #InstantMessenger space, we've had #federation since the late 90s, thanks to #XMPP (formerly known as #Jabber). We didn't encounter this issue, people simply understood it like how people understood email.

Then later, there's #Matrix, which is also a federation. But I haven't heard anyone ask or got confused how it works.

In a way, I would say #Trillian, #PsiIM, #Gajim, and the interoperability of #ICQ and #AIM played a role there.

However, when it comes to SNS, majority of people were never exposed to interoperable SNS. Since #Friendster #MySpace #Hi5 came out, there never was a federated SNS until 2008 when the #Fediverse was born (then called #Identiverse).

The #ATproto / #BlueSky federation is coming in 2024, so we'll see if they'll encounter the same challenges in explaining instances. If they do, or do not (as the BlueSky team are saying they won't have that issue), then we'll know better since we'll have a comparison by then.

For me, I think we've done everything that we can to explain it.

In an alternative universe, #XMPP and #IRC would make a major comeback as the preferred messaging platforms for all.

Because we need them to be back now more than ever.

#messaging #tech #technology

Ich hab schon so lange nix mehr mit #xmpp gemacht, dass ich jetzt mal ganz blöd fragen muss: Müssen BEIDE (bzw. alle) Teilnehmer eines Chats online sein, damit Nachrichten übermittelt werden, oder funktioniert das wie bei Messengern so, dass mir eins ne Nachricht schickt und nachher, wenn ich den Rechner hochfahre und den Client öffne seh ich, dass mir vorhin eins was geschickt hat?

Verwendet das überhaupt noch jemand?

@puniko @hanna also #XMPP + #OMEMO is extremely simple to use and setup and unlike all #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solutions it allows for #SelfCustody of #PrivateKeys, something that @signalapp nor anyone else offers...

Remember: #notYourKeys = #NotYourData = #insecure! !