@BowsacNoodle @RadixVerum @Bunsen @philmchawk @cough Specifically for Von List it's not Gnostic to my understanding, the universe meerley "is" rather then any sort of creation myth, the good old Big Bang probably brought it into being, just List believed in Aether. I understand Gnostic thought but IMO the world isn't evil, it meerley "is" as it were. As for Crowley IDK too much on him but weird Satanist faggotry isn't my thing but I don't see similarity lol. Only commonality between Armanism and Free Masonry I can spot is the post war Armanists (after Von List had passed) took inspiration from Free Masonry for how they organize ranks in the organization but beliefs don't seem to overlap at all so was probably just them needing to borrow organization from somewhere lol.