@SuperLutheran I think most of the ones doing that stuff are actually "liberals" as in how republicans call themselves classical liberals. They still have a liberal frame of life.

Being a conservative is saying, stuffily: "yeah democracy sucks, but it's the least sucky version of government"

Many people here are like "nah it is the suckiest version <I like this>"

My answer is: "yeah they all have things that suck, which is why we keep rotating through them. The founders also understood this, and explicitly wrote about it, it didn't work, but it would be nice if we could use the data they gathered to maybe make it work better"