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@trochee @spacyoddity and the fucked up part of that is how it might not even phenomenologically "sound like" there is any difference even though there are dramatic differences I'm how it acoustically "sounds." I swear I get how all the hard motor theory ppl just threw up their hands and were like "purely auditory phonetic perception is impossible" without any practical exposure to extremely nonlinear classification problems like we have a little bit of now via ANNs.

some self tags so I can find this thread later
#Phonetics #SpeechPerception