Andrea Junker :verified:
Allow me to address the elephant in the room:
The Trump administration is not setting the course for a four-year term.
The Trump administration is setting the course for an everlasting dictatorship.
If Americans don’t want that, the window to stop them is closing quickly.
WallOffTrump
@Strandjunker
When the Nazis have occupied the Capitol with armed force and taken over the TV station, the coup d'etat is pretty much done.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
@pjw @carl @screwturn @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker
hard disagree
not voting is impotent ineffectual nonsense
it does not work to achieve anything, unless the goal is irrelevancy
it serves a person's sense of self-regard only. elsewhere nonparticipation serves backsliding into fascism
it's so fucking stupid it can best be described as a psyop campaign by geopolitical fascist agendas to incapacitate the left
it is pure unadulterated failure and cannot be defended and requires condemnation
pjw
@carl @benroyce @screwturn @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker
Hey Ben, and others -
For what it's worth, I voted for Harris in the last election, but this is an extremely uncharitable and unfair read of what non-voters might be up to. I wrote on the game theoretic rationality of withholding your vote here: https://philpapers.org/rec/LOOADO-5
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
@screwturn @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker
they think not voting is a power
no
what happens is if someone doesn't vote, they, and everything they believe, are ignored
participation, showing up in the primaries and booting centrist democrats, is the only way forward
turning inward and sniffing your own farts about how righteous you are is a psychological exercise, not a political exercise
it's selfish, self-referential ego masturbation for the individual alone
and changes nothing in reality
Carl
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
@mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker
It's rather weird still encountering people, as I have recently, who think "teaching Democrats a lesson" is more important than {gestures broadly}
It's also extremely entitled
That the bad effects of the Trump administration won't affect them
(Or, rather than entitlement, extremely fucking stupid to think it won't effect them.)
Humphrey Archer
@benroyce
Indeed
Also, if they mean the "Democratic Party" by "the democrats", then I think the "lesson" was very different to what these people assume. They think what they "taught" the party was that the party should go more to the left.
The lesson they actually taught the party was that the people on the left are untrustworthy and it is better to appeal to centrists who are greater in number and turn out more.
mmalc
@benroyce is probably the best person to comment on this, but I'm not sure it's just that people "couldn't be bothered”. There was an epidemic of #ToxicIdealism spread perhaps primarily by the “G-n-c-d- Joe” brigade leading a non-trivial number to not vote as some sort of masochistic protest.
The left wing must, finally, learn the lesson:
Fight in the primaries, unite in the election
Ham on Wry
The window closed when 11 million people who voted for Joe Biden in 2020 couldn’t be bothered to vote in 2024. Now everyone is up in arms because nobody bothered to read the writing on the wall that’s been there since 2016.
Warner Crocker
@Strandjunker I fear the window has already closed. Time to learn how to break the glass.
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