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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Mar-2024 03:43:25 JST Paul Cantrell

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   • Jenniferplusplus
   • Marco Rogers

   @jenniferplusplus @polotek
   I struggle with this too.

   The closest thing I have to a picture of how people truly changing their thinking is that it happens (1) over long periods of time, (2) in the spaces •between• conversations, and (3) mostly out of sight. I don’t think we’re persuading the people who are arguing back. I think we’re persuading the people who are listening quietly.

   Cold comfort when the need for persuasion is so desperately urgent.

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     Jenniferplusplus (jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Mar-2024 03:43:26 JST Jenniferplusplus

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     • Marco Rogers

     @polotek I have very much the same problem. In the abstract, I think we're using the wrong tools. It's a task for art, rather than rhetoric. In many cases, that gap between seemingly obvious things that don't even makes sense to other people is a gap in imagination. Art is the tool that helps people imagine new things.

     I'm not sure how, or if, that helps either of us in the specifics.

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     Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Thursday, 07-Mar-2024 03:43:33 JST Marco Rogers

     It's difficult to try to influence people when you're truly coming from a radical position. I mean we know this. But describing how it *feels* is hard to do.

     I've always had a hard time understanding why things that make sense to me don't seem to make sense to other people. I spend a lot of time on language. So I can be as effective as possible at explaining where I'm coming from. But truly influencing people takes more. And I haven't really cracked it.