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   Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Monday, 25-Dec-2023 22:21:12 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)
   telegram honestly is the only messenger with good ux for e2ee
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     Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:47:22 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)

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     @ww @wizard >single-device only
     e2ee is device to device this makes perfect sense
     >there's no backup
     good thing
     >silently not delivering the messages is basically as bad as a messenger can get.
     disagree tbh
     
     multi-device, gc, cross-signing, key disy all this is hurting the e2ee and turning it into near fake security so good to go away with
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     ww (ww@xyzzy.link)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:47:24 JST ww

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     @mja @wizard > literally as featureful
     
     except they're single-device only, there's no backup, and if someone reinstalls telegram, you have no way of knowing that the messages you sent in your old secret chat with them aren't getting delivered. which silently not delivering the messages is basically as bad as a messenger can get.
     
     and from the tech (and ux) standpoint, the hard part of e2ee is key distribution and cross-signing, which is necessary for multi-device access, group chats and such. telegram just... refused to do the hard work and stopped at the bare minimum, because secret chats mostly exist for marketing purposes only.
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     Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc) (mja@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:47:25 JST Maijčika 🌲 (Public Arc)

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     @wizard people not using them is not a fault on telegrams part. and theyre literally just as featureful as normal chats except, yknow, theyre secure. they dont do any of that security drawback bullshit other platforms do they just make clear the limitations needed for security and leave you to that. thats a good thing id say
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     wlo (wizard@xyzzy.link)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Dec-2023 04:47:27 JST wlo

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     @mja or it would be if anyone actually used secret chats. or probably not, those kinda suck