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   Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 04:58:38 JST Christi Junior
   WHY ATTACK ON TITAN’S ENDING IS SHIT 1/?
   
   AoT’s manga chapter 139 will forever live in infamy, and turned what could have been a GOATed story into a flawed mess at best. And sadly, the anime adaptation refused to fix its biggest problems.
   
   For starters, we got the “Lelouch Ending”, which was always going to be the worst, most uninspired way to wrap up the story – when the majority of your readership sees it coming from lightyears away, because they just don’t believe you have the balls make your protagonist the villain, it’s hardly this great, shocking twist. And while I really like Code Geass, ripping off its ending is hardly worthy of the kind of story Attack on Titan aspired to be.
   
   Does the Lelouch route even make sense for AoT, in-universe? I mean, I don’t for a second think it would actually work in the real world, but was there justification for it working in the AoT world? Well, we know that in the manga, Teen Eren and Dot Pixis actually discussed something of the kind, and dismissed is as naïve/stupid. Everything we’ve seen in AoT indicates that even when facing an existential threat, humanity *won’t* really be able to unite – all the conflicts on Paradis Island (including MULTIPLE military coups), as well as the war between Marley and the other countries well aware of the threat posed by the Paradis “devils” proves that. If humanity won’t truly unite in the face of such active threats, why on earth would it unite AFTER the danger has passed? And why on earth would the surviving countries forgive Paradis because of the Alliance supposedly defeating Eren, when 1) the Alliance members are all considered Traitors to and Enemies of Paradis Island, 2) Paradis now has a fascist Jaegerist government and most people there openly supported Eren’s genocide and 3), even if Eren was eventually stopped, he still KILLED 80% OF THE OUTSIDE WORLD!
   
   See, this is what really gets me. A Lelouch Ending for AoT was always gonna suck, but this is a particularly RETARDED way to go about it. Killing some people, including innocents, to convince everyone that you’re a villain, sure, that’s how the plan works, flawed as it is. But 80%? I hate to break it to you, but that’s Genocide, and a pretty comprehensive one at that. If you view Eren’s plan as “working”, that 100% makes AoT’s ending pro-genocide. Don’t even try to deny it – if Hitler had killed 80% of all Jews, and the result had been a Thousand Year Reich of peace and prosperity, that would have been a W for Genocide no matter how you slice it. More realistically of course, all you will have achieved by the 80% Plan is leaving enough of your Enemies alive that all the deaths and sacrifices will all ultimately have been. By trying to have it both ways, you ended up with the worst possible outcome. For fuck’s sake, Zeke’s euthanasia plan of Partial Rumbling plus taking away the ability of Eldians to have kids wasn’t great, but it was way better than this shit!
   
   Of course, personally I’m not really a fan of the “take a 3rd option” cop out whenever characters are faced with a Sadistic Choice – I think the character being forced to make that terrible choice, defend it and then live with the consequences, makes for far more compelling drama, and might actually contain some valid real world lessons. AoT went out of its way to establish that Yes, the only choice is between letting the outside world destroy Paradis, or Paradis destroying the outside world with the Rumbling. Hange never tried denying that by Saving The World, they were Dooming Paradis. And after all that, it STILL ended with a total cop out. Keep in mind, the cop out was the Lelouch Ending – an Alliance Victory ending, followed by Paradis being destroyed would have been far better in terms of writing, if still unsatisfying and less than ideal. Camp of the Saints ended up with the author cucking out on dealing with the Invaders (which he openly admits to doing, he was open about not daring to go through with his original ending), but by making the consequences of that choice clear, the lesson nonetheless becomes a very powerful one.
   
   What the hell is the lesson of AoT at the end of the day? War is hell, history repeats? Nothing really matters, just live for the little things? A genocide ending wouldn’t necessarily be pro-genocide (it all would depend on how it was handled), but it would still mean the story had something worthwhile to say: Never back someone into a corner and give him no way out except to kill or be killed (ESPECIALLY when he has world-ending powers). Or how about this: If the cycle of hate and revenge is allowed to endure, eventually the only way to end it will be for one side or the other to be completely eradicated. Just a couple of my own reads on the Genocide Ending (Akatsuki no Requiem), without even going into the truly spicy White Nationalist interpretations. I personally consider those lessons/messages far more interesting and original than what we actually ended up with.
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     > Lelouch ending...

     What lelouch ending? He was GOD!!! And the world he left behind was a world at war. So, he failed. He failed at the singular objective of the Lelouch ending. At MUCH HIGHER COST at that. And ALSO with 1000 times the power to decide otherwise.

     > 80 percent
     That isn't a genocide, that is cataclism. :kekw:

     > Never back someone into a corner and give him no way out except to kill or be killed

     I honestly expected that to be the point of the ending with some cheap copout. But not this mess :D

     Also, you kinda forgot to add, just how unbelievabely insulting was the decapitation kiss. I don't feel much disgust, but at that scene, I unironically wanted to vomit.

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     BTW, I don't want to rewatch it, but what was all the multi-layered time travel about? Was that a delulu scene, ot was it supposed to show Eren knew what will happen even when he was a kid? Huh??? (I hate artistic cuts)

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     Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 05:04:13 JST Christi Junior

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     @LukeAlmighty Founder Ymir being a necrophiliac was apparently what this all lead up to.
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     Ok, then it was just an artistic shit cut...

     Ok. I wanted to make sure, since it didn't make any sense otherwise.

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     Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 05:06:13 JST Christi Junior

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     @LukeAlmighty When Eren kisses Historia's hand at the end of Season 3, that's when he comes to learn everything:
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcgnzNGlnO8
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     And it's wrse then I could imagine :gnomed:

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     The last scene in nutshell
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY

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     Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 05:11:48 JST Christi Junior

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     @LukeAlmighty Even worse in the manga, which implied that Paradis didn't even last 100 years before it got destroyed, due to Eren half-assing things.
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     Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 05:26:59 JST Christi Junior

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     @LukeAlmighty And yes, Lelouch and Suzaku end up being INFINITELY superior to Eren and Armin.
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     As I said, the hype was worth it.

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     > - Eren was a Slave of Freedom –
     That singular line makes me wonder, if 9/10s of population are seriously just too retarded to understand what freedom means.

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     Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 05:41:37 JST Christi Junior

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     WHY ATTACK ON TITAN’S ENDING IS SHIT 2/?
     
     The single worst thing about AoT’s ending is how it utterly DESTROYS Eren as a character. His shocking journey from seemingly generic Hero to Hitler 2.0 was amazing not just because it was so unexpected, but because, once you reexamined the character, it made a disturbing amount of sense – remember, this is the guy who straight up MURDERS 2 human traffickers when he’s just *10 years old*, without batting an eye and with zero remorse. He physically assaults adults who say something that offends him, and was always ready to kill anyone who would deny him his Freedom. The guy was always a total psycho, we just never stopped to think about it because he was our hero – just like we never stopped to think about how Eren never actually vowed to “Kill All Titans”, but instead to “Kill Every Last One of Them” – which one of the anime season finales (I’ve lost count of which one) beautifully highlighted.
     
     Eren’s journey was so compelling, because just like the story itself, the more things changed, the more they stayed the same – Eren effectively lets go of his anger, his hatred, his black-and-white morality, and yet he’s still forced to conclude that Genocide remains the only way to save everyone he loves, and acts on it – with the result that he ends up KILLING the very people he wanted to protect. He becomes the hero who saved Paradis, but is destroyed by guilt, his wife Historia and their daughter Ymir being the only ones that keep him from outright killing himself. He’ll keep visiting the graves of Mikasa and Armin every day until the day he himself dies. That right there is the beauty and tragedy of the Akatsuki no Requiem ending.
     
     So what did we end up with instead? A confused, nonsensical mess:
     
     - Eren is an incompetent retard who should never have ended up with the Founder Titan power in the first place, and who lost touch with reality, that’s why everything went to shit – except that Eren repeatedly proved to be a brilliant mastermind, manipulating everyone (including his dead father) and outwitting Zeke the genius. Also, his retarded plan actually works.
     
     - Eren is destroyed and depressed by the revelation of the über-shitty future that awaits him and the world – which is why is he shows FEROCIOUS, UNSTOPPABLE determination to bring about said feature. For fuck’s sake, the nigger TEARS OFF HIS OWN HAND just to escape the shackles Zeke placed on him and reach Founder Ymir. He was that fucking desperate to die a crybaby incel cuck and be sent to hell for being Cringe?
     
     - Eren was never this great Nationalist leader wishing to save his people – he was just your generic faggot Shonen hero who only fights for his friends. 80% of the world is destroyed, Paradis isn’t actually secure – who cares, my friends will survive….except Eren admits that he DIDN’T actually know if they would survive his actions (and we all saw the amount of Plot necessary to keep them alive). And speaking of Eren’s loved one; “Hey Reiner, why did my mother have to die?” – you tell me Eren, you fucking tell me motherfucker…
     
     - Eren was madly in love with Mikasa, and is big mad that he’ll never pound that Hapa pussy – except for the fact that he NEVER, EVER showed romantic interest in her throughout the story. Look, I genuinely do not care about the Shipping Wars, and I think both Historia and Mikasa are Quality Waifu choices – I’d personally go with Historia, probably, but Mikasa is absolute Sex as long as she’s not saddled with a dogshit lesbo haircut. But be honest guys, Eren and Mikasa were NOT written to end up together, while the chemistry between Eren and Historia was absolutely there – and the last-minute retcon is so fucking obvious, given just how retarded Historia’s arc during the last season ends up being.
     
     - Eren was a Slave of Freedom – except he apparently *wanted* to carry out the Rumbling all along? If he’s doing what he wanted to, how is he a slave?
     
     - Eren is going to Hell for killing 1.6 billion people – LOL JK, he actually gets reincarnated as a bird, and stalks Mikasa to this day.
     
     And I haven’t even mentioned the truly low-hanging fruit, so many moments that go right into the Cringe Compilation…
     
     At the end of the day, Eren is forever destroyed as a character – which would already have been bad enough if he was just mid all along, but when you consider just how amazing he could have ended up becoming? It’s a fucking crime.
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     And it's a second attack on the concept of liberty.

     The first one is, when he didn't take away their will in order to finish the rumbling. because he "wanted them to make their own choice"

     Meanwhile, before the last season, not a single fucking line in that direction, as far as I remember.

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     @LukeAlmighty "Eren being a Slave of Freedom is so fucking clever!" - Midwits everywhere, blessed by the JewTube algorithm.
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     Also, I am a Star Wars philosophy fan. I saw some GREAT analysis about how Sith are enslaved by pursuit of freedom. But in this case, I just don't see it. He saw what he will do, and still decided to do it, because he loved his friends more... (I think,,,, the ending is just such a mess)

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     BTW, for me, there is also one moment, that breaks Eren even more.

     When he has a breakdown, crying and apologizing to a kid, that he knows will die 1 year later by a titans foot.

     Seriously, was that scene there just for the shock value? Because it does make Eren look insane.

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     @LukeAlmighty In the Genocide Ending this makes sense, even a psycho like Eren ends up being broken by the sheer enormity of the crime he's about to commit, but he knows it's necessary for Paradis to survive.
     
     The Eren we got is somehow both weaker AND more evil than Hitler Eren.
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     You're right....
     I guess I'm just still not sure what to think about his motivation.... Since the show had to throw in a wrench at the very last second of the show.

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     I seriously think they write deliberately bad endings like this as a demoralization tactic. It’s an effort to poison the well of good series/franchises, so that people remember the bad ending and not the great beginnings and middles.

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     WHY ATTACK ON TITAN’S ENDING IS SHIT 3/4
     
     Then there are all the smaller, ridiculous moments of the ending – here’s just some of them:
     
     - Mikasa is randomly the main character now, and all of AoT boiled down to helping Founder Ymir break out of a toxic relationship with a guy who died 2000 years ago? Also, Ymir is necrophiliac, apparently. She's also the worst thing to ever happen to the series.
     
     - Mikasa is ALSO a necrophiliac. Also, how the fuck does she even get back to Paradis carrying Eren’s head, on foot? And why isn’t she immediately arrested and executed by the new Jaegerist government? Even if they don’t know that she killed Eren, she sure slaughtered a lot of Jaegerists during her attempt to stop the Rumbling.
     
     - Historia becomes the most pointless character ever, with a pointless child and a faceless, nameless husband. BUT, at least getting dicked cured her lesbianism, so that’s pretty Based at least. Farmer-kun, I kneel…
     
     - Armin is Naruto, the Talk No Jutsu is real.
     
     - Muller is retarded for demanding that the Eldians prove a negative, Armin is retarded for claiming to have actually proved it.
     
     - Reiner gets a second chance at life, and spends it lusting after married women and sniffing letters.
     
     - Annie gets everything she ever wanted, because you know, she was just such a great person compared to the likes of Marco and Petra.
     
     - Speaking of which, why the FUCK does Jean not see Marco when the characters briefly get reunited with their dead friends? He literally invoked Marco when joining the Alliance instead of just letting Paradis be saved by the genocide, it’s not like he forgot him. Also, Jean’s character arc emphasizing his leadership skills just get chucked straight into the trash.
     
     - The Jaegerists take over Paradis, which is…fucking awesome actually, hell yeah, the Fascists Win! Waifus like Rico and Hitch are also fascists now, booyah, the only ones who don’t like it are fucking journalists and Sasha’s turbo-cuck father.
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     Also, the King Fritz has to have some serious game :omegalul:

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     @LukeAlmighty He's so much better than the later Traitor King Fritz who sold out his people and let Marley defeat and enslave the Eldians. At least the OG King Fritz never pretended to be anything but a murderous warlord.
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     Time to wait for "Attack on Titan. Final Season Part 3 Part 2 rebirth" I guess.

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     WHY ATTACK ON TITAN’S ENDING IS SHIT 4/4
     
     As for the actual anime adaptation of the ending – well, it sure benefits from covering a whole lot more than just Chapter 139, and doing it well. We’re provided with such an epic, awesome spectacle and even with enough genuinely good and touching character moments, that by the time we get to the Bullshit, the whole episode/movie has garnered enough good will that I can definitely understand people being inclined to just go along with it, to do the Cope Job and convince themselves that nah, this isn’t shit, it actually kinda makes sense. Those who defended Chapter 139 back in the day had no such excuse.
     
     The anime does make various minor changes, some for the better, some for the worse. I do think Levi and especially Reiner get a better showing during the final battle, which Reiner in particular really needed (he’s been Jobbing so hard, for so long), and which makes you remember him for something else than sniffing letters.
     
     The notorious manga line where Armin thanks Eren for becoming a mass murderer for their sake has been completely changed, and instead became the monologue about Eren and Armin always being together, in hell. Honestly, this is much better, and far more appropriate given the events we just witnessed.
     
     Some extra scenes of the outside world people rebuilding after the Rumbling, several of the shots making the ending feel even more like a Code Geass ripoff.
     
     The big change to the final part of the ending is making it look like Paradis survived for something like 1000 years after the Rumbling, at which point we can’t know if the Rumbling was even the reason for why Paradis eventually got nuked. In the manga Paradis can’t have survived for more than 100 years at most, meaning that it absolutely got destroyed because Eren was a cuck and Survey Corps elites turned traitors. This also makes Eren’s 80% gambit look far more successful than in the manga, which is dumb on a number of levels, strains credulity and ends up making the ending pro-genocide after all.
     
     In the end, Ardainian was right in saying that they didn’t actually fix the ending, they just polished a turd, and also surrounded it with plenty of genuinely good fucking food – which doesn’t save the overall meal, because there’s still an actual turd in there.
     
     And never forget, Floch Was Right.
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     @ChristiJunior >ATTACK ON TITAN’S ENDING IS SHIT
     At this point in time, I'm really used to Japanese axing endings or the more common "under-deliver".
     "Thanks" to them some manga/anime sites have an "axed ending" tag.