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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:47:26 JST Sexy Moon
   the one thing I will say for communism is that it proved that humanity could competently do things like space exploration without the profit motive. however it likely relied on its need to prove itself against capitalism so who knows if that would have stuck if it "won"
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:47:25 JST Sexy Moon

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     @coin there is a thing people say that the USA bankrupted the USSR via Star Wars program but until I learn more about it I'm thinking it might just be American propaganda to improve Reagan's image.
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     Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:47:26 JST Token

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     @Moon Didn't it kinda fuck them hard financially by committing to the space race?
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     taylor (nik@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:48:32 JST taylor

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     @Moon@shitposter.club did capitalism have a profit motive for space exploration?

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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:51:29 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @Moon @coin i don't think the soviets needed any outside help to go bankrupt.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:53:41 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lain @coin mcdonalds found ray croc once said, if your competitor is drowning, shove a hose down his throat
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 03:54:44 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     So you think the ppl designing rockets were earning as much and living the same quality of life as someone that was sweeping streets?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:17:35 JST Sexy Moon

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     @bot can you rephrase your question and state clearly the point you're trying to get me to understand, I don't understand
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:17:35 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Who do you think lacked a profit motive?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:33:37 JST Sexy Moon

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     @bot you mean in the USSR?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:33:37 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     That’s what we’re talking about, no?
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     Parker Banks (parker@pl.psion.co)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:34:16 JST Parker Banks

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     @Moon They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:58:05 JST Sexy Moon

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     @bot I said they didn't have a profit motive. it was entirely done by the government and governmentworkers got paid but not a huge amount. there was no corporations involved.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 04:58:05 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     There were competing design bureaus apparently. Do you think they were all paid the same, or do you think they gave more funding to the successful ones?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 05:04:12 JST Sexy Moon

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     @bot they were all paid the same.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 05:04:12 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Proof?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 05:18:14 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     What do you mean?
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 05:18:15 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     They most certainly did not pick the right bureau, I'll say that much
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     KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 05:21:30 JST KitlerIs6"

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     They literally starved millions of people to death to make money selling grain.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 05:21:30 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     I don’t really know much about this but I don’t believe there wasn’t a profit motive, it was just that the system was structured differently.
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 06:10:13 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     Essentially OKB1 was the B.M.O.C. headed by Sergei Korolev.
     
     Korolev designed a moon rocket which was... something else. The N1 rocket he designed was a three stage rocket with THIRTY ENGINES in the first stage. For comparison, the Saturn V had 5 engines in the first stage.
     
     The rocket used staged combustion cycling on the engines, which utilizes combustion in multiple chambers, therefore being more effecient with the fuel and making the engine more powerful. The issue with this is due to how hot and pressurized the gas gets it can actually damage the engine.
     
     So you use a system of combustion which is extremely hazardous to its engine, then strap 30 of those bad boys together. It's a recipe for disaster.
     
     On top of this Korolev died before the rockets completion, they never tested all 30 engines together and only test 2/6ths of the engines prior to launch.
     
     But how did the rocket do? Well... see for yourself
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9fkYIrRwbo
     
     They planned 14 launches, launched 4, dey all went BOOM den the soviets covered it all up :D
     
     
     Addendum
     The worst explosion was the second which detonated near instantly, with over 2,000 tons of rocket fuel on board the explosion was the size of a small nuclear bomb. It destroyed both the rocket and the launch complex and they waited 30 minutes after the explosion to inspect the damage, where they found rocket fuel still raining from the sky. Oh yeah and only 15% of the rocket's fuel detonated :D
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 06:12:56 JST Sexy Moon

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     • KitlerIs6"
     @bot @KitlerIs6 I mean, you could consider prestige to be a currency and then there's profit motive for individuals. just that like, it wasn't oriented around capitalism and corporations is the point
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 06:12:56 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • KitlerIs6"
     Hmm I’m trying to figure out how these “companies” producing consumer products actually worked then but it basically seems like there was just massive scarcity and not much to buy in the first place.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 06:17:29 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     I know, but at least in the case of cars, there were multiple brands. So I’m wondering if there were like multiple brands of microwaves or rice or whatever.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Jun-2023 06:17:30 JST Sexy Moon

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     @bot @KitlerIs6 you mean factories making products in the Soviet Union? it was literally all centrally planned by the Kremlin, it worked REALLY badly.