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@amszmidt<\/a> <\/p>

The issues are more complicated than that. You're conflating them; I am not sure I can help you understand better with further answers rn, but please do read my past works on the subject linked to in this thread, & watch for future publications that #SFC<\/a> is working on now that we hope will delineate some of these conflated issues.<\/p>

I've spent at least 100 hours of work on this stuff, & is indeed easy to conflate, so I don't blame you for being confused.<\/p>

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@amszmidt<\/a> <\/p>

The issues are more complicated than that. You're conflating them; I am not sure I can help you understand better with further answers rn, but please do read my past works on the subject linked to in this thread, & watch for future publications that #SFC<\/a> is working on now that we hope will delineate some of these conflated issues.<\/p>

I've spent at least 100 hours of work on this stuff, & is indeed easy to conflate, so I don't blame you for being confused.<\/p>

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@bkuhn<\/a> Such a condescending post .. I spent quite a bit on this as well. I'd hope more from you. The SFC is wrong on the topic. <\/p>

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@bkuhn<\/a> Such a condescending post .. I spent quite a bit on this as well. I'd hope more from you. The SFC is wrong on the topic. <\/p>

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@amszmidt<\/a> <\/p>

Where is \u201chere\u201d for you? If you know of a jurisdiction where these issues have been settled already in their highest Courts, I very much want to read about it! Please send a link!<\/p>

I apologize that I assumed you were talking about the USA \u2014 since you were talking about cases from the USA Ninth Circuit, I assumed (reasonably) you were talking about the USA.<\/p>

Also, all major AI companies are in the USA, so what happens here is (possibly sadly) most relevant
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@amszmidt<\/a> <\/p>

Where is \u201chere\u201d for you? If you know of a jurisdiction where these issues have been settled already in their highest Courts, I very much want to read about it! Please send a link!<\/p>

I apologize that I assumed you were talking about the USA \u2014 since you were talking about cases from the USA Ninth Circuit, I assumed (reasonably) you were talking about the USA.<\/p>

Also, all major AI companies are in the USA, so what happens here is (possibly sadly) most relevant
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@bkuhn<\/a> I'm quite surprised that you're arguing that works that are void of human creativity can be copyrighted, when that is the basis of both US and all of Europe copyright law.<\/p>

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@bkuhn<\/a> I'm quite surprised that you're arguing that works that are void of human creativity can be copyrighted, when that is the basis of both US and all of Europe copyright law.<\/p>

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(2\/3) \u2026 the monkey photo case has a very different fact pattern to any of the cases currently making their way through the Courts.<\/p>

As I wrote when all this started back in 2022, #MIcrosoft<\/a> is attempting to manufacture consent that the behavior of the industry is either permitted by fair use and\/or produces only public domain works.
https:\/\/sfconservancy.org\/blog\/2022\/feb\/03\/github-copilot-copyleft-gpl\/<\/a>
I hope folks won't just spread the industry's unquestioned rhetoric for them.<\/p>

\u2026 <\/p>

Cc: @amszmidt<\/a> @hajovonta<\/a> @photex<\/a> @downey<\/a><\/p>","generator":{"id":"tag:gnusocial.jp,2026-07-21:notice-source:ActivityPub","objectType":"application","status_net":{"source_code":"ActivityPub"}},"id":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/users\/bkuhn\/statuses\/116320186082003251","object":{"id":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/users\/bkuhn\/statuses\/116320186082003251","objectType":"note","content":"

(2\/3) \u2026 the monkey photo case has a very different fact pattern to any of the cases currently making their way through the Courts.<\/p>

As I wrote when all this started back in 2022, #MIcrosoft<\/a> is attempting to manufacture consent that the behavior of the industry is either permitted by fair use and\/or produces only public domain works.
https:\/\/sfconservancy.org\/blog\/2022\/feb\/03\/github-copilot-copyleft-gpl\/<\/a>
I hope folks won't just spread the industry's unquestioned rhetoric for them.<\/p>

\u2026 <\/p>

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(3\/3) \u2026
Likely, these issues will be highly fact-dependent. If we're lucky, some appeals Court will give us a \u201ctest\u201d (perhaps building on the the Abstraction-Filtration-Comparison test we already have for literal copying of software (See <https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Abstraction-Filtration-Comparison_test<\/a>>), and that new test will be actually adopted by SCOTUS as well.<\/p>

Until we get there, the answer to all these questions is: \u201cReply hazy, try again [in a new Court case]\u201d.<\/p>

Cc: @amszmidt<\/a> @hajovonta<\/a> @photex<\/a> @downey<\/a><\/p>","generator":{"id":"tag:gnusocial.jp,2026-07-21:notice-source:ActivityPub","objectType":"application","status_net":{"source_code":"ActivityPub"}},"id":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/users\/bkuhn\/statuses\/116320199584858618","object":{"id":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/users\/bkuhn\/statuses\/116320199584858618","objectType":"note","content":"

(3\/3) \u2026
Likely, these issues will be highly fact-dependent. If we're lucky, some appeals Court will give us a \u201ctest\u201d (perhaps building on the the Abstraction-Filtration-Comparison test we already have for literal copying of software (See <https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Abstraction-Filtration-Comparison_test<\/a>>), and that new test will be actually adopted by SCOTUS as well.<\/p>

Until we get there, the answer to all these questions is: \u201cReply hazy, try again [in a new Court case]\u201d.<\/p>

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@bkuhn<\/a> None of which is relevant, SCOTUS does not exist here.<\/p>

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@bkuhn<\/a> None of which is relevant, SCOTUS does not exist here.<\/p>

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@amszmidt<\/a>
(1\/2)
As one of the leaders who has been Cc'ed on parts of this thread, the idea that I was too busy to read a thread I was cc'ed on for \u22481hr is pretty unfairly classified as \u201cnot listening\u201d.<\/p>

The idea that output of an LLM-backed generative AI system is public domain by default and in the general case is not supported by law or facts at this moment.<\/p>

This issue (& many related issues) are being litigated heavily, none have been heard by SCOTUS \u2026
Cc: @hajovonta<\/a> @photex<\/a>
@downey<\/a><\/p>","generator":{"id":"tag:gnusocial.jp,2026-07-21:notice-source:ActivityPub","objectType":"application","status_net":{"source_code":"ActivityPub"}},"id":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/users\/bkuhn\/statuses\/116320171644049516","object":{"id":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/users\/bkuhn\/statuses\/116320171644049516","objectType":"note","content":"

@amszmidt<\/a>
(1\/2)
As one of the leaders who has been Cc'ed on parts of this thread, the idea that I was too busy to read a thread I was cc'ed on for \u22481hr is pretty unfairly classified as \u201cnot listening\u201d.<\/p>

The idea that output of an LLM-backed generative AI system is public domain by default and in the general case is not supported by law or facts at this moment.<\/p>

This issue (& many related issues) are being litigated heavily, none have been heard by SCOTUS \u2026
Cc: @hajovonta<\/a> @photex<\/a>
@downey<\/a><\/p>","url":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/@bkuhn\/116320171644049516","status_net":{"notice_id":null}},"to":[{"objectType":"http:\/\/activitystrea.ms\/schema\/1.0\/person","id":"https:\/\/floss.social\/users\/downey"},{"objectType":"http:\/\/activitystrea.ms\/schema\/1.0\/person","id":"https:\/\/icosahedron.website\/users\/photex"},{"objectType":"http:\/\/activitystrea.ms\/schema\/1.0\/person","id":"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/users\/amszmidt"},{"objectType":"http:\/\/activitystrea.ms\/schema\/1.0\/person","id":"https:\/\/mastodon.online\/users\/hajovonta"},{"objectType":"http:\/\/activitystrea.ms\/schema\/1.0\/collection","id":"http:\/\/activityschema.org\/collection\/public"}],"status_net":{"conversation":"tag:gnusocial.jp,2026-03-30:objectType=thread:nonce=5d407dea0242187a","notice_info":{"local_id":"12376747","source":"ActivityPub"}},"published":"2026-03-30T21:16:36+00:00","provider":{"objectType":"service","displayName":"GNU social JP","url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/"},"verb":"post","url":"https:\/\/fedi.copyleft.org\/@bkuhn\/116320171644049516"},{"actor":{"id":"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/users\/amszmidt","displayName":"Alfred M. Szmidt","status_net":{"avatarLinks":[{"url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/avatar\/130031-original-tmp20230521113316.webp","rel":"avatar","type":"image\/webp","width":400,"height":400},{"url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/avatar\/130031-96-20230602002144.webp","rel":"avatar","type":"image\/webp","width":96,"height":96},{"url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/avatar\/130031-48-20230602002144.webp","rel":"avatar","type":"image\/webp","width":48,"height":48},{"url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/avatar\/130031-24-20230602002144.webp","rel":"avatar","type":"image\/webp","width":24,"height":24}],"profile_info":{"local_id":"130031"}},"image":{"url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/avatar\/130031-96-20230602002144.webp","rel":"avatar","type":"image\/webp","width":96,"height":96},"objectType":"person","summary":"software freedom or bust \/ lisp machine revolutionary \/ sauerpunk gnu hacker \/ wizard of zymurgy \/ professional curmudgeon#LispM #LispMachine #GNU","url":"https:\/\/mastodon.social\/@amszmidt","portablecontacts_net":{"preferredUsername":"amszmidt","displayName":"Alfred M. Szmidt","note":"software freedom or bust \/ lisp machine revolutionary \/ sauerpunk gnu hacker \/ wizard of zymurgy \/ professional curmudgeon#LispM #LispMachine #GNU"}},"content":"

@bkuhn<\/a> It is not you who was classified as \"not listening\", so your account is quite unfair.<\/p>

The output of LLMs is generally agreed that it is not copyrightable, and supported by law and fact at this moment simply because it lacks \"human authorship\".<\/p>

SCOTUS or US law is not relevant where I reside. <\/p>

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@bkuhn<\/a> It is not you who was classified as \"not listening\", so your account is quite unfair.<\/p>

The output of LLMs is generally agreed that it is not copyrightable, and supported by law and fact at this moment simply because it lacks \"human authorship\".<\/p>

SCOTUS or US law is not relevant where I reside. <\/p>

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