{"text":"@SuperDicq @lunareclipse @tiredbun There\u2019s also the question of how easy it is to exercise the provided freedoms. If you get a massive codebase of spaghetti code that requires a set of esoteric tools to work with, exercising some of the freedoms might be very inconvenient. :gutkato_flucerba:Similarly, if said software is tailored to serve a megacorporation\u2019s interests and they\u2019re making changes to it a hundred times a day, then even if you manage to change the software in a significant way, it will be difficult to make an impact with your changes if the ecosystem is still tied to the megacorporation\u2019s original version (which has released two new versions in the meantime). :gutkato_kapturni\u011das:These kinds of software might meet the formal definition of free software, since exercising the four elementary freedoms is allowed and possible, but it might still go against the spirit of free software, should doing so be infeasible. :gutkato_fantomo:Some people feel like free software is \u2018not enough\u2019 because it doesn\u2019t guarantee software to truly remain in its users\u2019 hands and not be free in name only. Problem is, you can\u2019t really fix that with a better definition. Being allowed to use, modify and distirbute software is a binary question; you either legally can do it or you can\u2019t. However, the ease of doing so is not binary and has no objective measure. :gutkato_malprofito:People have tried coming up with additional restrictions, but I don\u2019t think that\u2019s a good direction to begin with. Instead of keeping the binary mentality of \u2018free or non-free\u2019 and trying to stretch it over a variety of vastly different concepts, maybe we should keep exactly the same concept \u2013 the four essential freedoms \u2013 and change our mentality from only looking at the licence to looking at how different projects and communities around them empower their users in the spirit of free software. :gutkato_renversa:I don\u2019t think we can shoehorn that approach into another binary distinction (like, say, \u2018person-friendly or person-unfriendly\u2019), but maybe we can settle on a more nuanced set of distinctions that will help people orient themselves between software which empowers them to exercise their freedoms and software which doesn\u2019t (like free software licensing has to inform them about what they can or can\u2019t do with (parts of) the code). :gutkato_kontenta:","truncated":false,"created_at":"Sun Oct 11 11:08:43 +0900 2026","in_reply_to_status_id":"13263524","uri":"https:\/\/jam.xwx.moe\/objects\/e2f2810a-fbd8-4dd5-ab7c-f5227f772c07","source":"ActivityPub","source_link":null,"id":13263596,"in_reply_to_user_id":2392,"in_reply_to_screen_name":"SuperDicq","geo":null,"user":{"id":11248,"name":"Tirifto","screen_name":"tirifto","location":null,"description":"?\u00a0 #lang_eo | ??\u00a0 #lang_en | ??\u00a0 #lang_cs | ??\u00a0 #lang_frhttps:\/\/tirifto.xwx.moe\/\u2619 EO | Pronomoj: i\u0109aj. \u2767Saluton! 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@SuperDicq<\/a> @lunareclipse<\/a> @tiredbun<\/a> There\u2019s also the question of how easy it is to exercise the provided freedoms. If you get a massive codebase of spaghetti code that requires a set of esoteric tools to work with, exercising some of the freedoms might be very inconvenient. :gutkato_flucerba:<\/p>

Similarly, if said software is tailored to serve a megacorporation\u2019s interests and they\u2019re making changes to it a hundred times a day, then even if you manage to change the software in a significant way, it will be difficult to make an impact with your changes if the ecosystem is still tied to the megacorporation\u2019s original version (which has released two new versions in the meantime). :gutkato_kapturni\u011das:<\/p>

These kinds of software might meet the formal definition of free software, since exercising the four elementary freedoms is allowed and possible, but it might still go against the spirit of free software, should doing so be infeasible. :gutkato_fantomo:<\/p>

Some people feel like free software is \u2018not enough\u2019 because it doesn\u2019t guarantee software to truly remain in its users\u2019 hands and not be free in name only. Problem is, you can\u2019t really fix that with a better definition. Being allowed to use, modify and distirbute software is a binary question; you either legally can do it or you can\u2019t. However, the ease of doing so is not binary and has no objective measure. :gutkato_malprofito:<\/p>

People have tried coming up with additional restrictions, but I don\u2019t think that\u2019s a good direction to begin with. Instead of keeping the binary mentality of \u2018free or non-free\u2019 and trying to stretch it over a variety of vastly different concepts, maybe we should keep exactly the same concept \u2013 the four essential freedoms \u2013 and change our mentality from only looking at the licence to looking at how different projects and communities around them empower their users in the spirit of free software. :gutkato_renversa:<\/p>

I don\u2019t think we can shoehorn that approach into another binary distinction (like, say, \u2018person-friendly or person-unfriendly\u2019), but maybe we can settle on a more nuanced set of distinctions that will help people orient themselves between software which empowers them to exercise their freedoms and software which doesn\u2019t (like free software licensing has to inform them about what they can or can\u2019t do with (parts of) the code). :gutkato_kontenta:<\/p>","statusnet_conversation_id":6744525,"statusnet_in_groups":false,"external_url":"https:\/\/gnusocial.jp\/notice\/13263596","in_reply_to_profileurl":"https:\/\/minidisc.tokyo\/@SuperDicq","in_reply_to_ostatus_uri":"https:\/\/minidisc.tokyo\/users\/8qse4sxjxs","attentions":[{"id":2392,"screen_name":"SuperDicq","fullname":"SuperDicq","profileurl":"https:\/\/minidisc.tokyo\/@SuperDicq","ostatus_uri":"https:\/\/minidisc.tokyo\/users\/8qse4sxjxs"},{"id":29137,"screen_name":"lunareclipse","fullname":"Luna :neofox_snug:","profileurl":"https:\/\/snug.moe\/@lunareclipse","ostatus_uri":"https:\/\/snug.moe\/users\/95wu47tqkh"},{"id":366224,"screen_name":"tiredbun","fullname":"Tired Bunny :comf:","profileurl":"https:\/\/akko.wtf\/users\/tiredbun","ostatus_uri":"https:\/\/akko.wtf\/users\/tiredbun"}],"fave_num":0,"repeat_num":0,"is_post_verb":true,"is_local":false,"favorited":false,"repeated":false}